State of the Franchise· Page 8

evad04
Member

15 years ago

Its not like the OL is the only issue. To me anyway.

You have Woodson and Harris (aging guys) as your number 1 and number 2 CBs. Safety issues. Driver is getting up there in age too. There are a bunch of things to fix. The pass pressure is not there, whether thats personnel or scheme is another matter.

"RedSoxExcel" wrote:

Cornerback isn't an "issue," though. You're preemptive on that. It could be an issue, but thankfully we already have one future starter in Tramon Williams. How many teams do you know that can say definitively that their nickelback (Tramon) will fill in (and from the looks of it, nicely) for their aging corners.

Our only "issue" at safety is depth. Collins is a quality safety, and I think the same could be said about Bigby (although not to the same extent as with Collins). Bigby's only issue is staying healthy.

Donald Driver is old, yes, but is playing at as high a level as he has at any point in his career. And we have Jordy and Jones as our 3 and 4 receiver, and they've certainly shown good things so far.

The consistent pass pressure isn't there, you're right. But you have to think that once this defense becomes more comfortable (we are, afterall only seven regular season games into a huge change) the pressures will come.

William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."

evad04
Member

15 years ago

#72

Lang the only bright spot? Why do some dislike Colledge so much? Albeit I don't know OL too well, but I think he's doing fairly well.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

I remember yelling at him once last night on the blown screen pass. We had plenty of room to develop the play but Pat Williams bullied Colledge and blew up the play. In Colledge's defense, he got bullied by a Pro Bowl caliber hungry man beast.

William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."

warhawk
Senior Member

15 years ago

#73

I think we should have more tackles playing tackle instead of guards playing tackle. I also think we have guards playing tackle because of their athleticism for the ZBS. Which, I think needs to be fully discarded.

I also think Ted Thompson will improve our OL somehow through the offeason. Probably by draft, hopefully a FA or two would be nice.

I'm down for overpaying a little bit for some young talent.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

I think the biggest problem with the ZBS is that the teams that have used it successfully build the offense around the running game and emphasis it to a much greater degree than we do. They have good run blocking TE's and cutback RB's. We are a passing team. We have a great passing qb and excellent Wr's and an emerging pass threat TE ( who is not, by the way, a run blocking machine).

The Tackles WE need are pass blocking machines who can run block straight ahead and push people out of the way. We need a young Clifton on the left side that has Rodgers back who rarely allows pressure. In other words a franchise Left Tackle. I like Lang and think he can play somewhere for us but not LT. I think he belongs inside somewhere and wouldn't doubt he challenges for a guard spot next year or may RT.

That's what I want. Big nasty linemen pushing people out of the way on the run and standing DL straight up on the pass rush. You know, I didn't think much of this Loadholdt kid for the Vikes but there is something to be said when he holds up better against Kampman than Barbre does against their guy. He's a big kid at 350+ lbs and I think our way of going more athletic 305 to 315lbs tackles is hurting us in the pass protection area.

"The train is leaving the station."

Stevetarded
Registered

15 years ago

#74

Well if McCarthy wants to continue to pass 75% of the time they need to just go ahead and ditch the idea of having any player to fit a run scheme. Just get players who can pass block and get whatever you can out of the running game with those guys.

It is like we have it completely backwards. We base our lineman on our running game and we base our game schemes on throwing the ball. Just pick one and go with that.

I was just watching some of the game after I got back from class and Barbre was just getting absolutely dominated. Hopefully Tauscher is able to come back because I am not sure how Barbre keeps his job after that.

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IronMan
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#75

I was just watching some of the game after I got back from class and Barbre was just getting absolutely dominated. Hopefully Tauscher is able to come back because I am not sure how Barbre keeps his job after that.

"Stevetarded" wrote:

Odd. Mike McCarthy said he was improving.

Pack93z
Select Member

15 years ago

#76

"IronMan" wrote:

Odd. Mike McCarthy said he was improving.

"Stevetarded" wrote:

I give up on anything Mike McCarthy has to say... more so than a former QB.

One can watch the tape and see his struggles.. out of 7 games, he has played well in one week. Maybe two.. I have to be fair here and watch this weekend to say with any conviction. That is sad..

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Stevetarded
Registered

15 years ago

#77

"IronMan" wrote:

Odd. Mike McCarthy said he was improving.

"Stevetarded" wrote:

After yesterday I am thinking more that any improvement he had showed before was more due to Rodgers compensating. Barbre was barely slowing the guy down on a bunch of plays yesterday.

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ILikeThePackers39
Registered

15 years ago

#78

Barbre... can't stand him. I'd like to see a serious stud LT brought in (by any means necessary) and Lang moved over to RT. Spitz gets well @ center, and you might be looking @ a real NFL o-line at that point.

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evad04
Member

15 years ago

#79

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:

Agreed, particularly in reference to Lang at RT. He shows a lot of pop in the run game and would likely be better suited on that right side. More of a natural position for him. For this to work, though, we do need that stud at LT.

William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."

El3ment12
Registered

15 years ago

#80

I think we are a really good team. We lost to cinci, whos good, and minnesota twice. In this game is we eliminate a couple mistakes I think we win. State of the Franchise = good

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