Pack93z
15 years ago

Wasn't he battling an injury last year also? Groin maybe?

"cheeseheads123" wrote:



Sure... and how about the late part of 07'... or this preseason.. or the best one I heard repeated last season it was the coaching staff and scheme..

Sorry... not buying into the Hawk excuse-o-matic.. he is a solid steady player but sadly over-rated compared to hype.

I heard all of them last season.. I see a guy that sits on his heels, reads the play slow and then reacts.. not a on his balls of his feet, aggressive and playing downhill..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Rockmolder
15 years ago
Well, we are playing in a different system now. Zone/blitz might give him some more freedom, weird as that might sound. I can imagine that you have to hang back, waiting for the back to release and go into a route. Whenever that happens, you have to get of your blocker. Something he didn't do too well. Maybe that plays around in his mind and makes him wait for a bit before he comes up and makes the play. Just a wild theory.

Anyway, we'll see what he'll do this year. I hope that he excels. He should at least be able to pick up some linemen that get through and let Barnett have some space to make the play. Not the flashiest job, but if that's what he does best, we might as well utilize him that way.
beast
15 years ago

I have to disagree with you. Bishop hasn't played enough to give up a ton of plays. I don't really see how bishop is limited to his speed. Why? Because he is a ball hawk. He has good hands, hits hard, brings pressure. Not too mention he brings energy. Bishop gets better every time i see him play.

"cheeseheads123" wrote:



Well if you watched last year he was the reason for a good number of long runs or long passes.

Bishop isn't a ball hawk and he's speed is limited because guys can run around him and beat him... it's like Poppinga and Bigby have trouble going against faster guys...
UserPostedImage
dfosterf
15 years ago
friggin' ingrate gets like 15 LB's to my 1 o-lineman and still finds a way to get his bitching in.


totally kidding.

He knows who this is directed at.



:neener:
Kingdom22
15 years ago
Hawk has not been the problem for the Packers and no Bishop would not be better. Reason Bishop looks good is because he plays in preseason. He gets playing time during the regular season and yes he has blown coverage. Hawk has an issue with lateral problems like covering TE then again not all linebackers are made to cover. LB's are always looking for help covering players because they are players that stop run plays and blitz. Hawk is fine in our line up. Hawk over Bishop anytime.
blank
Cheesey
15 years ago

I really want to be high on AJ Hawk, but am still having a tough time with it.

All I see from him is blown coverages and tentativeness attacking runners. Is he declining or an I overly critical?

If I were in charge of the line up right now, he'd be playing behind Bishop. I'd much rather have the fiery players on the field.

"beast" wrote:



Very over critical...

Bishop is flashy... because he makes flashy plays... but he also gives a ton of them up...

Hawk makes the least mistakes on anyone on the defense other than maybe Woodson and Jenkins.

Bishop is very limited to his speed and makes more mistakes than any of the ILBs.

Right now I say Hawk and Chillar should be the starters.... Barnett should keep recovering and learn how better technique to keep guys off him... if possible Bishop needs to get faster and stop making mistakes.

"Timmons" wrote:


VERY good well thought out thoughts in my opinion, Beast!
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
15 years ago

friggin' ingrate gets like 15 LB's to my 1 o-lineman and still finds a way to get his bitching in.


totally kidding.

He knows who this is directed at.



:neener:

"dfosterf" wrote:



Yes and I get one backer whom is aggressive and they choose to play the higher paid players ahead of him...

Bishop has been playing in the drop zone and has made a number of instinctive plays this preseason compared to the silent hop on the pile from the former 1st round pick.. :lol:

I will say this, playing a straight man up coverage puts all these backers at a disadvantage... even more for the heavy footed Bishop.. but this is a different scheme... where I see Bishop struggling a little is the mental assignment part of the defense.. but to say he isn't instinctive is a mistake in my part.. if anyone on the defense looks to be lacking instincts it is Hawk himself.

Seems like he has to see the play, diagnose it, then reacts.. very little "feel" for the game.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
bozz_2006
15 years ago
He's kinda like the Terminator. He moves pretty slow, but you'd better not let him catch you!
UserPostedImage
beast
15 years ago

but to say he isn't instinctive is a mistake in my part.. if anyone on the defense looks to be lacking instincts it is Hawk himself.

Seems like he has to see the play, diagnose it, then reacts.. very little "feel" for the game.

"pack93z" wrote:



Yeah instincts are like a mode of no thinking just 100% attacking and I agree Hawk might have the biggest problem with that on the team... in fact when he seemed to have the most instincts was before he got to the Packers. I think the coaches and/or really hurt him...

As coach Moss said he thought more about where he had to be in the system than just plain out making plays.

But that said I still say Hawk as the best ILB and Bishop as the worst... though really I have no idea where to put Barnett yet because he still need to come back fully... then I'll rank him...
UserPostedImage
dfosterf
15 years ago
See what a nice guy I am?

I knew you needed to do a little more venting. Your previous posts were far too reserved.

Scheme change, Z ---scheme change. Maybe this will be the ticket for our boy A.J.


Never say never...

vanilla in pre Z vanilla in pre....


We can all hope.

Now Chad Clifton on the other hand...Do YA REALLY THINK we are going to teach that OLD DOG some new TRICKS....Oh, and Don't let the DOOR hit you in the ASS there, Tony, you might get called for HOLDING by the friggin' gatekeep....



j/k--pretty happy (for this brief moment in time) regarding that 0-line...
Similar Topics
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    Zero2Cool (53m) : It's the cycle of civilizations. Get lazier, lazier, softer, softer and vanish.
    Martha Careful (1h) : great point. every aspect of society, including art, culture and sports has degraded.
    dfosterf (13h) : Green Bay sweep meant something to society about stopping pure excellence. We have the tush push now
    dfosterf (13h) : We old Martha.
    Martha Careful (14h) : *front four
    Martha Careful (14h) : Re frout four, I wish we had some Green "People Eaters" or a fearsome foursome
    dfosterf (20h) : *directions*
    dfosterf (20h) : Just don't ask him for driving direct
    dfosterf (20h) : Jim Marshall was an all-time great DE for the Purple People Eaters. Didn't like him. That's a compliment. RIP
    Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : ooppppss
    Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : “Kenny Clark played all of last season hurt by the way and got surgery to fix it in January”
    Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : @ByRyanWood How much did the injury affect him last fall? “A lot.”
    Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : @ByRyanWood Kenny Clark said he had foot surgery in January. Injured his foot in opener against Eagles and played through it all year.
    Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : Golden is wearing guardian cap again. I bet he plays with it on too.
    Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : All the stuff I'm reading from Lions fans are pointing at his toe; he more or less has permanent turf toe in one of his big toes
    dfosterf (3-Jun) : Kenny played through it, and a shame he gets little credit for that, imo
    dfosterf (3-Jun) : Big men. I hope it's not the undoing of Kenny Clark
    dfosterf (3-Jun) : Probably his toe. Pretty much a great center. Toe injuries are brutal to bigen
    Mucky Tundra (2-Jun) : Lions All-Pro C Frank Ragnow retires
    wpr (30-May) : It's all good.
    beast (30-May) : Yeah, and I enjoyed your comments and just attempted to add to it. Sorry if I did it incorrectly.
    wpr (30-May) : Beast I never said Henderson was the salt of the earth. Nor even that he was correct. Just quoting the guy.
    Zero2Cool (29-May) : What did you do??
    Zero2Cool (29-May) : Whoa
    beast (29-May) : OMG the website is now all white, even some white on white text
    beast (29-May) : Henderson, who admits to taking cocaine during the Super Bowl against the Steelers, might dislike Bradshaw as he lost two Superbowls to him
    wpr (28-May) : Hollywood Henderson said Bradshaw “is so dumb, he couldn't spell 'cat' if you spotted him the C and an A.”
    Mucky Tundra (28-May) : Cooper stock=BUY BUY BUY
    Mucky Tundra (28-May) : Also notes he’s playing with more confidence.
    Mucky Tundra (28-May) : @AndyHermanNFL MLF says there was a time last year where Cooper was at 220 pounds. Now he’s at 240 and still flying around.
    Mucky Tundra (28-May) : And don't even get me started on Frank Caliendos "impersonations"
    Mucky Tundra (28-May) : I got tired of them being circle jerks with them overlaughing at each others jokes.
    Zero2Cool (28-May) : It used to be must watch TV for me. now it's "meh" maybe to hear injury update
    Mucky Tundra (28-May) : I haven't watched the pregame shows in years and I don't feel like I've missed a thing
    Zero2Cool (28-May) : Love says knee affected him all season, groin injury didn't help matters.
    Zero2Cool (28-May) : I used to enjoy him on FOX Pregame. Now it's like a frat party of former Patriots.
    Zero2Cool (28-May) : LaFleur on Watson: “Christian is doing outstanding. I would say he’s ahead of schedule.”
    Martha Careful (28-May) : Bradshaw is a dumb ass cracker. I am so tired of his "aw shucks" diatribe. He should shrivel up and go away.
    buckeyepackfan (28-May) : He wad all butt hurt because Aaron duped the media saying he was immunized.
    buckeyepackfan (28-May) : Bradshaw needs to retire. He's been ripping on Rodgers ever since the covid crap. He was all hury
    Zero2Cool (28-May) : Terry Bradshaw doesn't want Rodgers in Pittsburgh lol wow
    Zero2Cool (27-May) : one day contract, which he also feels is pointless, but if Packers came to him, he would
    packerfanoutwest (27-May) : Aaron Rodgers talks possibility of retiring with Packers, just another rumor
    dfosterf (27-May) : Go watch 2001
    Zero2Cool (26-May) : 1984
    dfosterf (26-May) : That movie sent a chill through many. 1968.
    dfosterf (26-May) : "Open the pod bay doors, HAL"
    buckeyepackfan (25-May) : Haven't we all seen thus movie? It doesn't end well!! Lol
    Zero2Cool (25-May) : lol Anthropic’s new AI model turns to blackmail when engineers try to take it offline
    dfosterf (25-May) : Claude Opus 4
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2025 Packers Schedule
    Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
    COMMANDERS
    Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
    Browns
    Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
    Cowboys
    Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
    BENGALS
    Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
    Cardinals
    Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
    Steelers
    Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
    PANTHERS
    Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
    EAGLES
    Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
    Giants
    Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Lions
    Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
    BEARS
    Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
    Broncos
    Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
    Bears
    Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
    RAVENS
    Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
    Vikings
    Recent Topics
    33m / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    1-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    1-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    29-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    27-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    27-May / Random Babble / Martha Careful

    24-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    23-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

    23-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

    22-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    22-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

    21-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

    20-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.