DanJustDan29
15 years ago
Donald Lee was only targeted 50 times last year and he caught 39 of them. That's 78% of targets that he caught. He was the 6th highest player in the NFL and the #1 TE. He isn't a flashy player but he has great hands and is very reliable and consistent. I would not be upset at all if he remained the starter for the entire season.
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earthquake
15 years ago
Lee is a quality all around TE. Finley is more of a flashy, receiving TE. I think its great to have both and i imagine both will be used in a lot of different situations. I think finley is the eventual starter, but not until he proves that he is a complete TE(IE: blocking).
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zombieslayer
15 years ago
If Lee somehow loses the #1 spot, he's gone. Half the teams in the NFL would be more than happy to have Lee as their starting TE.

Dan - good stats. Didn't know that. I did know that he's got good hands and is tough as nails.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
From SI.com's Ross Tucker:


Self-fulfilling prophecies make NFL camp 'competitions' a total joke
 


The NFL is supposed to be among the most objective places of employment around. If you can play, you can stay, as the saying goes. Or in regard to coaches, win and you can stay in. The best players should start, make the team, etc. Likewise, the best coaches should get the head jobs, coordinator roles, etc. Yet in an ultra-competitive industry, that isn't always the case. There are still a number of personnel decisions that are pre-ordained. Call it the theory of the self-fulfilling prophecy.

The latest example comes out of Denver, where Kyle Orton "won" the battle for the starting quarterback position with Chris Simms. Now there's a shocker. After the whole drawn out Jay Cutler fiasco, was there ever any doubt who Josh McDaniels was going to tab as his starting quarterback? The only way Orton was going to lose the job to Simms was if Orton played horrendous and Simms played amazing, which was not the case.

That the Broncos announced their decision in June, without the players ever putting on shoulder pads, indicates this was more of a reaffirmation of what they already thought, not a genuine, no-holds barred competition. Making a decision about any position based upon OTAs, where there are no "live" bullets and no real threat of a pass rush, is questionable at best. So much for the pace of those practices being at a tempo conducive to learning and not evaluation, per the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

I am not saying Simms deserved the job. Orton is a proven winner when given an opportunity as opposed to Simms, who hasn't played in forever. Unfortunately for Simms, he was behind the eight-ball as soon as McDaniels hand-picked Orton in the Cutler trade.

Not every self-fulfilling prophecy necessarily results from a coach picking one player to play over another. Another high-profile example comes from Packers GM Ted Thompson and his decision in early November to give Aaron Rodgers a contract extension that will keep him in Green Bay until 2014 and pay him $66 million in the process. In the case of the Rodgers deal, much like the Orton situation, the ultimate decision to sign him to a long-term deal was probably the right one. Rodgers had proven he was a competent starting quarterback over the first half of the season and eventually finished with 28 touchdowns and only 13 interceptions while throwing for over 4,000 yards.

But similarly to the predetermined Orton decision in Denver, you have to imagine Thompson was hoping he would be able to sign Rodgers to a deal that validates him as the franchise quarterback for the Packers. After the messy Brett Favre divorce, Thompson would have been toast in the minds of the Lambeau faithful if Rodgers had faltered. So Rodgers contract not only establishes him as the quarterback of the future in Green Bay, it also becomes the backbone for Thompson's reasoning for moving forward without Favre in the first place. In effect, the Rodgers deal validates him and the entire Packers front office.

Critics will point out the team was only 6-10 last season and Rodgers showed a chronic inability to find a way to lead his team to a game-winning drive in the fourth quarter. Lucky for him, it doesn't matter. Thompson was itching to place the stamp of approval on his Favre decision as soon as possible. So as soon as a new contract for Rodgers was reasonable, he pulled the trigger.

Self-fulfilling prophecies like these happen all the time and it is no secret why. Owners, GMs and coaches have a vested interest in having their decisions pay off -- or at least appear to pay off. It makes them look good. It is one of the reasons I think more and more teams are drafting offensive linemen high in the draft over the last couple of seasons.

Teams and prognosticators will use the term "safe," but I prefer the word "hide." That's because one of the reasons an offensive lineman is a safe pick is because teams can scheme block to protect him, and can give him help from backs, tight ends and other linemen. Then, at the end of the year, teams can point out the fact their high pick started all 16 games and only gave up a couple of sacks, even though the truth may be that he was given so much assistance that he was rarely placed in a position to fail.

The next example of a pre-ordained competition is taking place in New York right now with the "battle" between Kellen Clemens and Mark Sanchez. Please. As if the $28 million guaranteed Sanchez is getting in his rookie contract wasn't enough of a reason to assume Sanchez would ultimately "win" the job, the recent comments from owner Woody Johnson comparing Sanchez's similarities to the great generals of all time pretty much cemented it. Sorry Kellen, but you have no shot.

That is a real shame in my mind because Clemens was once a hot prospect out of the Pac-10 and never really has had an opportunity to show what he can do outside of starting some games for a horrible Jets team in 2007. It is hard for me to imagine that a young quarterback with only 16 college starts can beat out a guy going into his fourth season working with offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer. Alas, it doesn't really matter. As soon as their production appears to be even close to comparable in the eyes of the Jets front office, Sanchez will be taking the snaps. It has already been predetermined.


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CaliforniaCheez
15 years ago
The situation between Flynn and Brohm. Competence is the choice over draft position.

Rodgers put up good numbers in a good offense when Grant got himself hurt after his hold out. Rodgers deserved a bump in pay and the Packers wanted to secure a good QB for years into the future. He is an improving QB who did not make that many mistakes last season.

He is not a good example for the author's point.

Sticking for years with an unproductive Jamal Reynolds just because he was a high draft pick is a much better example.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Rodgers didn't make many mistakes because his HC didn't give him the chance to and he didn't take the chance to make mistakes. I'm not saying that's bad, just saying.
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earthquake
15 years ago

Rodgers didn't make many mistakes because his HC didn't give him the chance to and he didn't take the chance to make mistakes. I'm not saying that's bad, just saying.

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I dont really agree with this. Sure one could make an argument that Rodgers wasn't given as much control as say Favre was for instance, but the fact that he had so many passes over 20 yards, and that he threw for over 4,000 yards... You can't get those sorts of numbers in a situation where he is simple set up not to make mistakes. He was given PLENTY of oppurtunties to make mistakes, and made some pretty costly ones a few times with late game INTS.

I think at a certain point you need to recognize that Rodgers simply makes some pretty good choices with how he plays the game, when to throw the ball away, etc. I think he is a very cerebral QB in that sense.

I do however agree that far too often Mike McCarthy chose to take "safe" plays like running it in 3 times in a row on the goal line, that infuriated me to no end. But i dont think that is in itself proof that Rodgers wasn't given any opportunity to fail.

I think if you take a look at his highlights from 08, you'll see many amazingly well thrown balls lasered into double covered, and equally as many amazingly good adjustments on pretty poorly throw balls, courtesy of his WR's. With such a slim margain of error, many of those plays could have resulted in INTs instead of TDs. But he was either lucky, or good, or both in a lot of those cases. I dont think he makes or even attempts a lot of those plays in a system where he is simply set up not to fail.
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dhazer
15 years ago
Packers | Wells' roster spot could be in jeopardy
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Pete Dougherty, of the Green Bay Press-Gazette, reports Green Bay Packers C Scott Wells' roster spot could be in jeopardy. Wells will need to compete for the starting center job, but he will have a difficult time after missing all offseason recovering from major shoulder surgery. OL Duke Preston and OL Tony Moll are both capable of backing up multiple positions along the offensive line, which could leave Wells out of a spot on the team.





Packers | R. Martin remains front-runner for No. 5 WR job
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Pete Dougherty, of the Green Bay Press-Gazette, reports Green Bay Packers WR Ruvell Martin remains the front-runner for the No. 5 wide receiver job.



Packers | Kapinos appears to have edge for starting job
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Pete Dougherty, of the Green Bay Press-Gazette, reports Green Bay Packers P Jeremy Kapinos appears to have the edge for the starting punting job over P Durant Brooks.

Packers | Three competing for No. 3 tight end position
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Pete Dougherty, of the Green Bay Press-Gazette, reports Green Bay Packers TE Tory Humphrey, TE Evan Moore and TE Carson Butler could compete for the No. 3 tight end position. The team could also decide to pick up a player at the end of training camp.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Whoa, we're keeping 3 TEs? Does that mean we're going more shallow on the offensive line this year? And how many FBs are we keeping?
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago

Whoa, we're keeping 3 TEs? Does that mean we're going more shallow on the offensive line this year? And how many FBs are we keeping?

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