We used to say that wouldnt happen but he has been sliding down some mock drafts and if he is there at #9 Ted Thompson better draft him. He is by far alot better then Nelson and Jones before he even steps on the field and he will be a force in the NFL for whoever he plays for. Plus it would be nice to have a stud to replace Jennings if we have to.

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Jordy Nelson was an outstanding pick. I did not like it at the time. I was wrong.

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I want to remind everyone about something else. We (especially me) kidded around about just how closed-lipped MM was/is about injuries. I spent about an hour last night going through MM's transcripts on the GBP official website.

My reminder is this. James Jones was repeatedly reported by MM and co. as having a minor sprain. It was subsequently reported at the end of the year that he played the entire season with a torn PCL.

This isn't Madden. I submit that we have a whole lot fewer questions about James Jones than any GM could possibly have about Michael Crabtree. James Jones is a proven gamer, but because he has enough class to keep his mouth mostly shut, he gets very little credit. It would be nice if some credit was given when due.

James Jones played with a torn PCL 

I would challenge that their wasn't better picks on the board at the Harrell selection.. that smells of trying to hit a home run on a down and away slider.

Overall.. Ted pick for pick has done a better than average job.. that is not his weakness as a GM.

Filling holes outside of the draft appears to be.. along with the inability to build a NFL quality offensive line.

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Sorry Foster but i can't even imagine putting Crabtree and Jones in the same sentence. I think i will listen to Fitzgerald when he says he wishes he had the skills and body that Crabtree has when he came out of college. i say it won't take much more than 3 years for Crabtree to be an All-Pro. If Ted Thompson can somehow draft him i would personally run up and kiss TT's ass

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Dhazer:

I only listen to myself. I hear you, but I listen to me. :thumbleft: (In an Australian-sense lol lol lol)

You are aware of the fact that James Jones is the physically strongest receiver on the Green Bay Packers, I trust?


Oh, and unless Fitzgerald wants to bulk up to about 330 lbs and come play Nose Tackle for the Packers, his perspective on potential means absolutely nothing to me.

I am leery about that "1-2 round pick should be a starter and is hopefully pro Bowl caliber." Just looking at the 2005 draft, it looks like about 50/50 for them even to be a starter.

7 1st rounders were pro bowlers. 4 2nd rounders (including Collins).

In 2006, 7 1st rounders and 3 2nd rounders.

Is it a bad assumption to say Rodgers and Jennings will make the Pro Bowl, and soon? I just think they will.
That would give us 3 Pro Bowlers in 2 drafts, 1st and 2nd round. I'm not sure another team could match that.. maybe San Diego or Houston for those drafts.

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Well, saying a 1st rounder should be a Pro Bowler is going a little overboard, but a 1st round draft pick should usually be an immediate starter. In 2008, there were 2 1st round picks that played in the Pro Bowl, but over half of them started if I'm not mistaken.

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Easy Warhawk. You don't have to be so defensive. I am not trying to be overly critical or either the players or Ted.
1st of all this is my rating system. It is entirely subjective. I set the parameters. I know people will not like it. I am just voicing my opinion.
Rounds 1-2. MY opinion is if the player isn't starting and moving toward being either a Pro Bowl or on one of the many All NFL teams it is not a great pick. ("A" or "B" selection.) He may be a rock solid contributor for 10 years.) Some years there are not many players to chose from and you have to make do with what is available. The best player in a lousy year can still in up being a lousy pick.
Looking Nelson, he has done everything that the Packers have asked of him. He has made the most of his opportunities. That said. He is not starting. He is not generating votes for the Pro Bowl or one of the end of the season All Star rosters. I think he is capable of starting one day. I think he is capable of being selected to the Pro Bowl one day. Not today. Therefore it is too early to pass judgment on him. I am not going to "Devine the future" and say "based on what he is going to accomplish I give him an 'A' ".
Hawk probable was the safest pick of his day. I liked it when GB drafted him. He has not produced like the #5 pick overall should produce. Maybe he will get things turned around this year and move it up a notch. He has not been woeful. As an NFL LB, I think he has been an above average player. As a number 5 selection he has been below average. The great thing about being a poster in cyberspace is it does not matter how I would chose. I am not the GM of the GBP. I do not have all the game film and the staff that Ted has access to. In some respects this is a cop out I know. But it is still true. You can rate my selections if I had the job.
Harrell was a gamble. Gamble in rounds 3 an lower. Not round 1.

EDIT- I MISSED JACKSON. MY "NO" IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT HE IS NOT THE STARTER. HE IS A GOOD PLAYER BUT HE HAS NOT BEATEN OUT GRANT FOR THE STARTING POSITION. HE IS A GOOD PLAYER. SHOULD HE PLAY MORE HIS NUMBERS WILL INCREASE. WILL HE DO A BETTER JOB IN THE FUTURE? MORE THAN LIKELY. WHEN THAT HAPPENS LIKE ALL THE OTHER PLAYERS WE CAN REVISE OUR RATINGS OF TED AS A GM.




Ted was praised for selecting Hodge. Hodge is not on the team. I know he has been injured and injuries are a mitigating factor. Maybe he will make a significant contribution to the Bengals team this year.
QB like Brohm really can't be rated very well in their 1st few years. For the most part I was really ignoring both Brohm and Flynn other than to say that Brohm was not a starter. My "No" was merely to say that Brohm fell behind Flynn on the depth chart. Whenever he took the field he under produced. Can he become the starter one day? Perhaps. Can he become a solid backup? More than likely.
Can we really rate the 2008 daft? No and very little from the 2007 draft either.



I think I said that most players selected in the 6 and 7th rounds are longshots at best. I even added the 5th round to the list. But then that speaks to one of Ted's quirks. He likes to trade away higher round picks for more lower round ones. If they have little chance of making the team perhaps he should be either keeping what he has or trading several of the lower round picks (players who won't make the team) for a higher round pick. (a player who should not only make the team but make significant contribution as well.)

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Ahh I said "hopefully" make the PB. I said caliber as there are players who make the PB year after year after year while better players don't get the recognition so I am trying to allow for more recognition. WR is a tough position. That's of players are about the same ability. Jennings one of them.

Zombie is correct. I want them to be a starter the same year they were drafted if possible; maybe a few years depending on their position such as a QB.
But let's use your numbers. 21 out of the 128 players who were drafted in 2005 and 06 made the PB. That's 16%. I do not know what definition you would use for "above average". Using a bell curve and say half of the group is average (50%) then 25% should be above avg and 25% below avg. The 21 players that made the PB are a little low. But they could be considered the "A" players. Most likely there are another 10% of the players who were drafted in those years that are starters for their teams.

There are always going to be a few picks that have their careers cut short by injury. There are always going to be a few Jamal Reynolds how don't pan out. There will be players who stay in the league for years but are only solid back ups their whole careers. It is difficult to be drafted into the NFL and even harder to become a starter. But if I am going to give Ted or any GM an above avg grade for drafting his players in rounds 1 & 2 must start and must be PB quality.

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I agree, but I'm thinking more in the lines that GB could replace Donald Driver sooner rather than later.

I would draft Crabtree and shop James Jones. Probably could get a 4th and a 7th for him.

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