Announcement PH Beta → Check it out! Click Me! (you might be see "unsafe", but it is safe)
MassPackersFan
15 years ago
3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE... just a small correction. He will be playing both.

I have zero worries about Kampman this year.
UserPostedImage
Dulak
15 years ago

3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE... just a small correction. He will be playing both.

I have zero worries about Kampman this year.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



ya anyways it will be a slow trasition
ie first year kampman plays with hand down 50-60% of the time then it will go up till year #3 where he's full time OLB (assuming he does well at this position).

As told by dom capers

So biggest advantages with the new 3-4; stopping the run more - harder for the other team to bring the play on the outside (because we will have another guy upfton).

Can pressure the QB easier because the other team wont know who is coming from where with 5 guys up front.

Problems with the new 3-4 we will have less pass coverage down the middle and the flanks (thats if people cant read the assignments and cover that well).

It will help to have a nice secondary which we do.
porky88
15 years ago

Kampman started out at 290, and had success getting to the qb. Sorry, I think it is a farther reach to ask him to play OLB when the man has been a DE since he was 19, and brown shows so much speed, and the ability to make plays in the open field.
IMHO keeping kampman at de and drafting brown to play olb makes sense and is a real possibility

"dhpackr" wrote:



Kampman would struggle as a five technique in the 3-4. You need players who are outstanding against the run and really just be there for the linebackers to make the plays to some extent.

Asking Kampman to put on 25 pounds in a year and then play a different position would be pretty much changing the type of player he is.

Kampman will be an OLB, but they'd be better off trading him than forcing him to make a move to DE where he just doesn't fit. Actually what I'm getting at is the change you're proposing here is more drastic than a move to OLB. Kampman is a pass rusher and pass rushers play OLB in this defense.

I think drafting Everette Brown and having him rush opposite of Aaron Kampman is a real possibility.

As far as a DE goes, GB could also opt to move down and grab Tyson Jackson or they could reach for him at No.9.
http://www.row12.com/ 
UserPostedImage
Dulak
15 years ago

Kampman started out at 290, and had success getting to the qb. Sorry, I think it is a farther reach to ask him to play OLB when the man has been a DE since he was 19, and brown shows so much speed, and the ability to make plays in the open field.
IMHO keeping kampman at de and drafting brown to play olb makes sense and is a real possibility

"porky88" wrote:



Kampman would struggle as a five technique in the 3-4. You need players who are outstanding against the run and really just be there for the linebackers to make the plays to some extent.

Asking Kampman to put on 25 pounds in a year and then play a different position would be pretty much changing the type of player he is.

Kampman will be an OLB, but they'd be better off trading him than forcing him to make a move to DE where he just doesn't fit. Actually what I'm getting at is the change you're proposing here is more drastic than a move to OLB. Kampman is a pass rusher and pass rushers play OLB in this defense.

I think drafting Everette Brown and having him rush opposite of Aaron Kampman is a real possibility.

As far as a DE goes, GB could also opt to move down and grab Tyson Jackson or they could reach for him at No.9.

"dhpackr" wrote:



ya I'm not dead set on the pack picking up raji - there's lots of guys 2nd and 3-4th round that could fit in at NT.

I do know that I would like 1 strong NT or DE and 1 strong Oline guy.

They will get a OLB somewhere weather its 1st round or later ...

maybe they will get a guy that will rotate ie depending on the down; ie use chillar for passing downs, then someone stronger that can rush the passer and stop runs. Always keep kampman in there since he'll have his hand down 1/2 the time anyways.

I'm pretty excited about the new D implementation. Might be some $%^& ups but overall be a nice needed change IMO.
dhpackr
15 years ago



Kampman would struggle as a five technique in the 3-4. You need players who are outstanding against the run and really just be there for the linebackers to make the plays to some extent.

Asking Kampman to put on 25 pounds in a year and then play a different position would be pretty much changing the type of player he is.

Kampman will be an OLB, but they'd be better off trading him than forcing him to make a move to DE where he just doesn't fit. Actually what I'm getting at is the change you're proposing here is more drastic than a move to OLB. Kampman is a pass rusher and pass rushers play OLB in this defense.

I think drafting Everette Brown and having him rush opposite of Aaron Kampman is a real possibility.

As far as a DE goes, GB could also opt to move down and grab Tyson Jackson or they could reach for him at No.9.

"porky88" wrote:



Kampman started out as a 290lb run stuffing DE. I think getting back to 290 would be much easier than staying at 265. let me ask you this, if kampman plays olb, and there is an injury at de, do you think kampman will stay at olb, or move to de??
So if you meet me Have some courtesy, Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse, Or I'll lay your soul to waste
wils0646
15 years ago



Kampman would struggle as a five technique in the 3-4. You need players who are outstanding against the run and really just be there for the linebackers to make the plays to some extent.

Asking Kampman to put on 25 pounds in a year and then play a different position would be pretty much changing the type of player he is.

Kampman will be an OLB, but they'd be better off trading him than forcing him to make a move to DE where he just doesn't fit. Actually what I'm getting at is the change you're proposing here is more drastic than a move to OLB. Kampman is a pass rusher and pass rushers play OLB in this defense.

I think drafting Everette Brown and having him rush opposite of Aaron Kampman is a real possibility.

As far as a DE goes, GB could also opt to move down and grab Tyson Jackson or they could reach for him at No.9.

"dhpackr" wrote:



Kampman started out as a 290lb run stuffing DE. I think getting back to 290 would be much easier than staying at 265. let me ask you this, if kampman plays olb, and there is an injury at de, do you think kampman will stay at olb, or move to de??

"porky88" wrote:



What? Is he going to magically gain 25 lbs. between weeks to play the DE spot? No, he won't go to DE if someone is injured. Again, his talent is wasted there and you need size.

Let me say that I'm extremely confident that he'll stay at OLB in the 3-4 system if one of our DEs gets injured.
The Pack Will Be Back.
dhpackr
15 years ago


What? Is he going to magically gain 25 lbs. between weeks to play the DE spot? No, he won't go to DE if someone is injured. Again, his talent is wasted there and you need size.

Let me say that I'm extremely confident that he'll stay at OLB in the 3-4 system if one of our DEs gets injured.

"wils0646" wrote:



let me say i feel you are completely wrong, and will save this post to my favorites, so if there is an injury at de, and kampman is moved to de, i will bring this post back to remind you of your overwhelming confidence.

Why does he have to gain 25lbs in 7 days again. do you argue the point it is easier for a player to gain weight than lose weight??

I think kampman is good at getting to the qb, and holding the point to stop running plays.

his forte is not running down players in the open field, nor covering te and rb in open space. and if kampman is going to be successful at olb, sooner or later, this will be a responsibility of his.

If I am a team facing gb, and #74 is lined up at olb, i want to get a te or rb in a one on one situation with kampman in the open field. this has been a weakness in green bay's defense for years and years.

the packers do not have a solution for rb's and te's running up the seam in the middle of the field, and having kampman in open space is only going to magnify this problem.
So if you meet me Have some courtesy, Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse, Or I'll lay your soul to waste
longtimefan
15 years ago



Kampman started out as a 290lb run stuffing DE. I think getting back to 290 would be much easier than staying at 265. let me ask you this, if kampman plays olb, and there is an injury at de, do you think kampman will stay at olb, or move to de??

"dhpackr" wrote:



290? I thought out of college he was barley 270?

got a link to prove he was 290?
wils0646
15 years ago

let me say i feel you are completely wrong, and will save this post to my favorites, so if there is an injury at de, and kampman is moved to de, i will bring this post back to remind you of your overwhelming confidence.

"dhpackr" wrote:



Go ahead. He's not built for that position. There's no way they'll line up a 265 lb. body at the 3-4 end position. Of course he'll play DE when our personnel lines up in a 4-3, but there's no way he'll play the DE position in the 3-4.

Why does he have to gain 25lbs in 7 days again. do you argue the point it is easier for a player to gain weight than lose weight??



No, I was just trying to make the point that he'd be way too small to play the DE position if he's at 265. He'd have to gain wait.
The Pack Will Be Back.
porky88
15 years ago



Kampman would struggle as a five technique in the 3-4. You need players who are outstanding against the run and really just be there for the linebackers to make the plays to some extent.

Asking Kampman to put on 25 pounds in a year and then play a different position would be pretty much changing the type of player he is.

Kampman will be an OLB, but they'd be better off trading him than forcing him to make a move to DE where he just doesn't fit. Actually what I'm getting at is the change you're proposing here is more drastic than a move to OLB. Kampman is a pass rusher and pass rushers play OLB in this defense.

I think drafting Everette Brown and having him rush opposite of Aaron Kampman is a real possibility.

As far as a DE goes, GB could also opt to move down and grab Tyson Jackson or they could reach for him at No.9.

"dhpackr" wrote:



Kampman started out as a 290lb run stuffing DE. I think getting back to 290 would be much easier than staying at 265. let me ask you this, if kampman plays olb, and there is an injury at de, do you think kampman will stay at olb, or move to de??

"porky88" wrote:



Kampman hasn't played at 290 in years and I thought he was more 270 to 280. He wasn't very good when he played at it either. He was anything but a run stuffer. He was an average starter learning the game and a backup his rookie season. The DE in the 3-4 isn't going to be that effective as a pass rusher. You'll be lucky to see a DE with 5 sacks on the year in this scheme. Kampman is a pass rusher and asking him to pretty much handicap his best asset would be a terrible idea that isn't happening.

As far as the base defense goes, you're dealing in a huge what if. Right now GB has three potential starting five techniques on their roster or at least in the eyes of the coaching staff. Personally I think one, but they see Jenkins, Harrell, and Jolly as DE's. If two went down and GB had this type of a roster then yes it's possible they could move Kampman to DE, but the outcome would compare to moving Charles Woodson to SS. It takes a player off of what he does best.

I'm hoping GB opens their eyes and drafts a five technique within the first three rounds and signs either Vonnie Holiday or Kevin Carter. I'm sure Kampman will line up as a DE a lot this season, but I see it more in when GB plays with four down lineman.

Kampman could compare to Terrell Suggs whom actually wasn't near as athletic as Kampman in some of his stop watch times, but Suggs still has been very good at what he does.
http://www.row12.com/ 
UserPostedImage
Similar Topics
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    beast (20h) : Thanks dfosterf, I'm still kicking myself for last week, as I forgot to change to pick Vikings and Lions... after putting in a holding spot.
    Zero2Cool (22h) : First alternate: Elgton Jenkins Other alternates: Jordan Love, Kenny Clark, Keisean Nixon, Tucker Kraft, Josh Myers, Jaire Alexander
    Zero2Cool (22h) : Pro Bowl still a thing? Guess Packers have three. Jacobs, Gary, McKinney.
    dfosterf (22h) : It's a mine field with all the players sitting, etc
    dfosterf (22h) : There was quite a bit of "chalk" matchups this year it seemed, but not this week coming up
    Zero2Cool (22h) : Or we got better and by we I mean everyone except me
    Zero2Cool (22h) : We have about six that by percent would have won nearly any season. I guess 2024 was predictable 🤷
    Zero2Cool (22h) : You can check previous seasons. I quick did it and don't think anyone hit 70% before
    dfosterf (22h) : Hats off to the Beast
    dfosterf (22h) : I'm at 71.76% in pick 'em. 2nd place. Beast is at a flat 75% 9 games ahead. That 75% has got to be unprecedented this late in the season
    beast (23h) : I don't care deeply, just want some good entertaining games
    Zero2Cool (23h) : BTW, not serious.
    Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : You don't care about it either!!!!
    Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : NIL and Portal killed college, no one cares about it.
    Mucky Tundra (2-Jan) : outside of Texas-Arizona St, it's been a snoozefest
    beast (2-Jan) : I expect Georgia will change that tomorrow, but we'll have to wait and see. If they do, then only Big 10 and SEC are left.
    beast (2-Jan) : So much for Conference Championship meaning something as 100% (so far) of the conference Champions lost their first playoff game.
    Zero2Cool (1-Jan) : Jaire had surgery, season over.
    Mucky Tundra (1-Jan) : I guess I need a new sig Pic. Boo
    Mucky Tundra (1-Jan) : Eric Dickerson approves of this decision
    beast (1-Jan) : Eagles are resting RB Saquon Barkley, so there is no chance he breaks the record despite being just 101 yards from it
    Zero2Cool (1-Jan) : Patriots are waiving veteran pass rusher Yannick Ngakoue
    beast (1-Jan) : Happy New Year's 🥳🎉
    beast (31-Dec) : I want to them chant some songs for Daniel Whelan
    beast (31-Dec) : Let's win one! Also, hopefully the Irish will stand with Daniel Whelan
    Mucky Tundra (31-Dec) : After London and Brazil, I could go without an overseas game for a while
    Zero2Cool (31-Dec) : Packers. Steelers. Ireland. 2025. Reports say.
    Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Matt Lafleur on if Jaire will play again this season. "Yeah I don't know... he's been dealing with swelling."
    Mucky Tundra (30-Dec) : After the way they played for most of the game yesterday, I don't see how you can sit anyone for the whole game
    Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : I'd say play everyone. Going into playoffs at 7th seed on two game lose streak - yucky
    Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Do the Packers have any best players?
    beast (30-Dec) : Play or Rest*
    beast (30-Dec) : Should the Packers play or free their best players vs the Bears?
    Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Packers should be 3 - 2 in the Division. Bonkers being swept by both Lions and Vikings. yikes
    go.pack.go. (30-Dec) : All crazy stuff…and good point beast
    beast (30-Dec) : Packers should be 0-5 in the division, can't say I saw that coming, even 1-4
    Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Sam Darnold 35 TD's ... another one
    Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Baker Mayfield, 39 TD's ... can't say I saw that one
    Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : No matter who is playing as 7th, I think we want them to win. Get rid of 2nd seed haha
    go.pack.go. (30-Dec) : That would be dhazer who was rooting for Minnesota
    beast (30-Dec) : Well, Commanders are currently the 6th seed and Packers the 7th
    beast (30-Dec) : Who was it in Chat, that wanted the Vikings to win (because Lions fans upset them) because Packers could not lose the 6th seed?
    beast (30-Dec) : If Falcons win, Packers stay as the 6th seed and Falcons lead the NFCS, if they lose, Commanders 6th and Bucs take NFCS lead
    beast (30-Dec) : Win or Loss, the NFCS is going down to week 18
    Mucky Tundra (30-Dec) : if the Falcons win, how does that affect the overall NFC playoff picture? Does it mean that the NFC South comes down to week 18?
    beast (30-Dec) : If Commanders win, the Packers drop to the 7th seed
    beast (29-Dec) : Taylor still at it!
    beast (29-Dec) : Colts get the ball and fumble turn over
    packerfanoutwest (29-Dec) : Jets pull Aaron Rodgers for Tyrod Taylor
    Mucky Tundra (29-Dec) : Colts-Giants now a tight one
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2024 Packers Schedule
    Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
    Eagles
    29 - 34
    Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
    COLTS
    16 - 10
    Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
    Titans
    30 - 14
    Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    29 - 31
    Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
    Rams
    24 - 19
    Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
    CARDINALS
    34 - 13
    Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
    TEXANS
    24 - 22
    Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Jaguars
    30 - 27
    Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    14 - 24
    Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
    Bears
    20 - 19
    Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
    49ERS
    38 - 10
    Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
    DOLPHINS
    30 - 17
    Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
    Lions
    31 - 34
    Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
    Seahawks
    30 - 13
    Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
    SAINTS
    34 - 0
    Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
    Vikings
    25 - 27
    Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
    BEARS
    Recent Topics
    21m / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

    14h / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

    15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    19h / GameDay Threads / Zero2Cool

    21h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    22h / Fantasy Sports Talk / dfosterf

    1-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    1-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    31-Dec / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

    31-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    30-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    30-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    29-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / go.pack.go.

    27-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    27-Dec / Random Babble / Martha Careful

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.