MassPackersFan
16 years ago
3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE... just a small correction. He will be playing both.

I have zero worries about Kampman this year.
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Dulak
16 years ago

3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE... just a small correction. He will be playing both.

I have zero worries about Kampman this year.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



ya anyways it will be a slow trasition
ie first year kampman plays with hand down 50-60% of the time then it will go up till year #3 where he's full time OLB (assuming he does well at this position).

As told by dom capers

So biggest advantages with the new 3-4; stopping the run more - harder for the other team to bring the play on the outside (because we will have another guy upfton).

Can pressure the QB easier because the other team wont know who is coming from where with 5 guys up front.

Problems with the new 3-4 we will have less pass coverage down the middle and the flanks (thats if people cant read the assignments and cover that well).

It will help to have a nice secondary which we do.
porky88
16 years ago

Kampman started out at 290, and had success getting to the qb. Sorry, I think it is a farther reach to ask him to play OLB when the man has been a DE since he was 19, and brown shows so much speed, and the ability to make plays in the open field.
IMHO keeping kampman at de and drafting brown to play olb makes sense and is a real possibility

"dhpackr" wrote:



Kampman would struggle as a five technique in the 3-4. You need players who are outstanding against the run and really just be there for the linebackers to make the plays to some extent.

Asking Kampman to put on 25 pounds in a year and then play a different position would be pretty much changing the type of player he is.

Kampman will be an OLB, but they'd be better off trading him than forcing him to make a move to DE where he just doesn't fit. Actually what I'm getting at is the change you're proposing here is more drastic than a move to OLB. Kampman is a pass rusher and pass rushers play OLB in this defense.

I think drafting Everette Brown and having him rush opposite of Aaron Kampman is a real possibility.

As far as a DE goes, GB could also opt to move down and grab Tyson Jackson or they could reach for him at No.9.
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Dulak
16 years ago

Kampman started out at 290, and had success getting to the qb. Sorry, I think it is a farther reach to ask him to play OLB when the man has been a DE since he was 19, and brown shows so much speed, and the ability to make plays in the open field.
IMHO keeping kampman at de and drafting brown to play olb makes sense and is a real possibility

"porky88" wrote:



Kampman would struggle as a five technique in the 3-4. You need players who are outstanding against the run and really just be there for the linebackers to make the plays to some extent.

Asking Kampman to put on 25 pounds in a year and then play a different position would be pretty much changing the type of player he is.

Kampman will be an OLB, but they'd be better off trading him than forcing him to make a move to DE where he just doesn't fit. Actually what I'm getting at is the change you're proposing here is more drastic than a move to OLB. Kampman is a pass rusher and pass rushers play OLB in this defense.

I think drafting Everette Brown and having him rush opposite of Aaron Kampman is a real possibility.

As far as a DE goes, GB could also opt to move down and grab Tyson Jackson or they could reach for him at No.9.

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ya I'm not dead set on the pack picking up raji - there's lots of guys 2nd and 3-4th round that could fit in at NT.

I do know that I would like 1 strong NT or DE and 1 strong Oline guy.

They will get a OLB somewhere weather its 1st round or later ...

maybe they will get a guy that will rotate ie depending on the down; ie use chillar for passing downs, then someone stronger that can rush the passer and stop runs. Always keep kampman in there since he'll have his hand down 1/2 the time anyways.

I'm pretty excited about the new D implementation. Might be some $%^& ups but overall be a nice needed change IMO.
dhpackr
16 years ago



Kampman would struggle as a five technique in the 3-4. You need players who are outstanding against the run and really just be there for the linebackers to make the plays to some extent.

Asking Kampman to put on 25 pounds in a year and then play a different position would be pretty much changing the type of player he is.

Kampman will be an OLB, but they'd be better off trading him than forcing him to make a move to DE where he just doesn't fit. Actually what I'm getting at is the change you're proposing here is more drastic than a move to OLB. Kampman is a pass rusher and pass rushers play OLB in this defense.

I think drafting Everette Brown and having him rush opposite of Aaron Kampman is a real possibility.

As far as a DE goes, GB could also opt to move down and grab Tyson Jackson or they could reach for him at No.9.

"porky88" wrote:



Kampman started out as a 290lb run stuffing DE. I think getting back to 290 would be much easier than staying at 265. let me ask you this, if kampman plays olb, and there is an injury at de, do you think kampman will stay at olb, or move to de??
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wils0646
16 years ago



Kampman would struggle as a five technique in the 3-4. You need players who are outstanding against the run and really just be there for the linebackers to make the plays to some extent.

Asking Kampman to put on 25 pounds in a year and then play a different position would be pretty much changing the type of player he is.

Kampman will be an OLB, but they'd be better off trading him than forcing him to make a move to DE where he just doesn't fit. Actually what I'm getting at is the change you're proposing here is more drastic than a move to OLB. Kampman is a pass rusher and pass rushers play OLB in this defense.

I think drafting Everette Brown and having him rush opposite of Aaron Kampman is a real possibility.

As far as a DE goes, GB could also opt to move down and grab Tyson Jackson or they could reach for him at No.9.

"dhpackr" wrote:



Kampman started out as a 290lb run stuffing DE. I think getting back to 290 would be much easier than staying at 265. let me ask you this, if kampman plays olb, and there is an injury at de, do you think kampman will stay at olb, or move to de??

"porky88" wrote:



What? Is he going to magically gain 25 lbs. between weeks to play the DE spot? No, he won't go to DE if someone is injured. Again, his talent is wasted there and you need size.

Let me say that I'm extremely confident that he'll stay at OLB in the 3-4 system if one of our DEs gets injured.
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dhpackr
16 years ago


What? Is he going to magically gain 25 lbs. between weeks to play the DE spot? No, he won't go to DE if someone is injured. Again, his talent is wasted there and you need size.

Let me say that I'm extremely confident that he'll stay at OLB in the 3-4 system if one of our DEs gets injured.

"wils0646" wrote:



let me say i feel you are completely wrong, and will save this post to my favorites, so if there is an injury at de, and kampman is moved to de, i will bring this post back to remind you of your overwhelming confidence.

Why does he have to gain 25lbs in 7 days again. do you argue the point it is easier for a player to gain weight than lose weight??

I think kampman is good at getting to the qb, and holding the point to stop running plays.

his forte is not running down players in the open field, nor covering te and rb in open space. and if kampman is going to be successful at olb, sooner or later, this will be a responsibility of his.

If I am a team facing gb, and #74 is lined up at olb, i want to get a te or rb in a one on one situation with kampman in the open field. this has been a weakness in green bay's defense for years and years.

the packers do not have a solution for rb's and te's running up the seam in the middle of the field, and having kampman in open space is only going to magnify this problem.
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longtimefan
16 years ago



Kampman started out as a 290lb run stuffing DE. I think getting back to 290 would be much easier than staying at 265. let me ask you this, if kampman plays olb, and there is an injury at de, do you think kampman will stay at olb, or move to de??

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290? I thought out of college he was barley 270?

got a link to prove he was 290?
wils0646
16 years ago

let me say i feel you are completely wrong, and will save this post to my favorites, so if there is an injury at de, and kampman is moved to de, i will bring this post back to remind you of your overwhelming confidence.

"dhpackr" wrote:



Go ahead. He's not built for that position. There's no way they'll line up a 265 lb. body at the 3-4 end position. Of course he'll play DE when our personnel lines up in a 4-3, but there's no way he'll play the DE position in the 3-4.

Why does he have to gain 25lbs in 7 days again. do you argue the point it is easier for a player to gain weight than lose weight??



No, I was just trying to make the point that he'd be way too small to play the DE position if he's at 265. He'd have to gain wait.
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porky88
16 years ago



Kampman would struggle as a five technique in the 3-4. You need players who are outstanding against the run and really just be there for the linebackers to make the plays to some extent.

Asking Kampman to put on 25 pounds in a year and then play a different position would be pretty much changing the type of player he is.

Kampman will be an OLB, but they'd be better off trading him than forcing him to make a move to DE where he just doesn't fit. Actually what I'm getting at is the change you're proposing here is more drastic than a move to OLB. Kampman is a pass rusher and pass rushers play OLB in this defense.

I think drafting Everette Brown and having him rush opposite of Aaron Kampman is a real possibility.

As far as a DE goes, GB could also opt to move down and grab Tyson Jackson or they could reach for him at No.9.

"dhpackr" wrote:



Kampman started out as a 290lb run stuffing DE. I think getting back to 290 would be much easier than staying at 265. let me ask you this, if kampman plays olb, and there is an injury at de, do you think kampman will stay at olb, or move to de??

"porky88" wrote:



Kampman hasn't played at 290 in years and I thought he was more 270 to 280. He wasn't very good when he played at it either. He was anything but a run stuffer. He was an average starter learning the game and a backup his rookie season. The DE in the 3-4 isn't going to be that effective as a pass rusher. You'll be lucky to see a DE with 5 sacks on the year in this scheme. Kampman is a pass rusher and asking him to pretty much handicap his best asset would be a terrible idea that isn't happening.

As far as the base defense goes, you're dealing in a huge what if. Right now GB has three potential starting five techniques on their roster or at least in the eyes of the coaching staff. Personally I think one, but they see Jenkins, Harrell, and Jolly as DE's. If two went down and GB had this type of a roster then yes it's possible they could move Kampman to DE, but the outcome would compare to moving Charles Woodson to SS. It takes a player off of what he does best.

I'm hoping GB opens their eyes and drafts a five technique within the first three rounds and signs either Vonnie Holiday or Kevin Carter. I'm sure Kampman will line up as a DE a lot this season, but I see it more in when GB plays with four down lineman.

Kampman could compare to Terrell Suggs whom actually wasn't near as athletic as Kampman in some of his stop watch times, but Suggs still has been very good at what he does.
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