TengoJuego
15 years ago
The draft. Just look forward to the draft. We have 8 picks this year.
AJistheHawk50
15 years ago
thanks man
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
I'm thinking we end up with 11 picks this year.
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AJistheHawk50
15 years ago
how so Zero?
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AJistheHawk50
15 years ago
Draft day trades?
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porky88
15 years ago
This Charles Woodson was signed in April stuff I believe is misleading people into thinking we can get another Charles Woodson in April.

Woodson was a lucky get. If teams new what he still had in him, Charles Woodson wouldn't be a Green Bay Packer right now. It's unlikley that the Packers will even pay top dollar for a player that late especially since GB was rebuilding at the time they signed Woodson and now they feel they're contenders with the current roster they have.

The fact is you either go into free agency or don't, but if you do then you have to be prepare to overpay to some extent. People act like for example that Albert Haynesworth is going to see 100 million dollars of that deal. That's unlikely as he'll end up being released or restructuring the deal down the road.

The same goes for Canty here. He's obviously not worth all the money, but you have to pay to get good players. That's the market in today's free agency and GB has 35 million in cap right now and one bold signing that goes wrong isn't going to ruin the cap. Washington had 7.5 million dollars and they've fit three big contracts under their cap room.

I'm not saying to over do it, but when you're sitting on a pretty good young team and you can put it over the top then I think free agency is worth it in my opinion. I kind of see GB in that situation.
Pack93z
15 years ago
Is Canty worth 7 million a year even if it is on a rental type deal of Haynesworth? 17.25 is the real number of some extent... unless he completely bombs and you negotiate a lower amount.

Porky.. we are three days into free agency, all is not lost. Yes we have missed out on a couple of players that would help, but the value was lost in teams overpaying that talent just to capture some headlines.

There are still good players available out there, maybe not as deep as Woodson and the April signing but 3 days and we are hitting the panic buttons.

We are talking about Chris Canty here.. not Reggie, Brett or a franchise type player.. it is Chris Canty. Haynesworth money was ridiculous as will Peppers deal when something breaks loose.

There hasn't been a single deal out there so far that you say, damn that was a good value. All is not doomed, players will come available that would and may end up helping the Packers win some games.

Now don't get me wrong, I think we need to add some talent and depth along the lines.. and will be disappointed if we don't ink a couple players that will do just that.

But after three days, I am not willing to get worked up over losing out on a nice player in Canty and losing a rotational guy in Cole, whom could never secure a starting role without injury..
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porky88
15 years ago

Is Canty worth 7 million a year even if it is on a rental type deal of Haynesworth? 17.25 is the real number of some extent... unless he completely bombs and you negotiate a lower amount.

Porky.. we are three days into free agency, all is not lost. Yes we have missed out on a couple of players that would help, but the value was lost in teams overpaying that talent just to capture some headlines.

There are still good players available out there, maybe not as deep as Woodson and the April signing but 3 days and we are hitting the panic buttons.

We are talking about Chris Canty here.. not Reggie, Brett or a franchise type player.. it is Chris Canty. Haynesworth money was ridiculous as will Peppers deal when something breaks loose.

There hasn't been a single deal out there so far that you say, damn that was a good value. All is not doomed, players will come available that would and may end up helping the Packers win some games.

Now don't get me wrong, I think we need to add some talent and depth along the lines.. and will be disappointed if we don't ink a couple players that will do just that.

But after three days, I am not willing to get worked up over losing out on a nice player in Canty and losing a rotational guy in Cole, whom could never secure a starting role without injury..

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I'm not saying all is loss, but I think Packers nation is split into two. You have the people who will look the other way know matter what Ted Thompson does and you have the people that want to burn him at the stake even if it means missing out on players where there isn't a place for such as Bart Scott.

Personally I'm sitting myself in the middle or attempting too.

I think Chris Canty was a good signing by the Giants. I think he's only going to get better. He would of been a first round pick if it wasn't for injuries and he was setback because of those injuries. Now that he's healthy he's starting to develop and I suspect he will play well for the Giants and would've for the Packers.

I think the Giants overpaid for him, but I think everyone is pretty much overpaid for in free agency. If Green Bay gets Igor they'll overpay for him. The problem with the Packers is whether or not they can learn to seal the deal. They haven't done it yet except for Ryan Pickett. Charles Woodson basically said he had no choice.

Like I said before in this thread that I think it's a good sign that at least the Packers are talking. That shows that they might be willing to go out and get a guy, but Canty was said to be the No. 1 DE on their list and they didn't get him. I get that you want the guy in for a visit, but if your GM isn't' on the phone with the agent setting parameters for a deal then why should the agent treat you seriously. To me that's a concern as you can offer a contract and make him come in and pass a physical before he signs it. If he doesn't pass then no deal.
Pack93z
15 years ago

I get that you want the guy in for a visit, but if your GM isn't' on the phone with the agent setting parameters for a deal then why should the agent treat you seriously. To me that's a concern as you can offer a contract and make him come in and pass a physical before he signs it. If he doesn't pass then no deal.

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Don't get me wrong here, I have a few issues with Ted's approach as well, mainly that he is a plodder in his decision making. The business world doesn't wait for plodders often..

Now with Canty.. reading King's coverage of Canty in the MMQB, I think they weren't coming to GB either way.. they wanted a number and to leverage it against the Giants to gather more stones for their pocket.

But I am okay with signing low level hyped players along the Dline, as long as they can anchor and use their hands, they don't have to bring a ton of flash. I would rather have 4 or 5 solid affordable players along this 3-4 front and rotate them healthily.

Where I would break the bank on a DE in the 3-4, if he could anchor the point yet be able to provide a exception pass rush push as well.. Canty isn't that player.
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DakotaT
15 years ago
Both Vonnie Holliday and Jason Taylor were released today. Bring them both in on two year contracts. Holliday can play DE opposite Cullen Jenkins and Taylor can play opposite Kampmann. Then Ted can go ape sh!t in the draft finding guys for the 34.

Is this ideal? No, it's stop gap, but they are both very serviceable players. We should take a shot while Woodson and Al can still play.
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