wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
a year ago
My cousin's daughter is somewhere in the process of changing genders. Or at least wants to. His wife posted on facebook about her desire to change pronouns and I thought there was mention of medical treatments. I found it interesting for mom to post it on FB. I just went back to verify it. The post is gone. That makes more sense. Her mom was trying to be supportive but I am sure the earth stopped revolving and the polar fields reversed their polarity. Not to mention hoards of people were being accosted by roaming packs of feral ermine.
Personally I have no say in the matter. I am glad she is not my child. It would be extremely difficult to be supportive. I have not had much interaction with them in a while. That's what happens when the family ages and the grandparent anchors are gone. It is not my intent to be cruel but when I heard this I wondered if part of the reason for her desire to change genders was because she wasn't the cheerleader type. I have no idea if she was picked on as a child for her looks or body type. Knowing that people can be mean, it's very possible. I do find it ironic that I am mentioning that she isn't the fairest damsel in the land while saying others probably called her names. It's not my intent to body shame her. I would never accept someone else doing so. I'm simply trying to convey that she has had challenges in her life and I wonder if that has had an impact on her choices.
Anyway our family reunion is in a few weeks. I hope my cousin and his wife are there. I would like to have a better understanding of the situation.




  

 
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
a year ago

My cousin's daughter is somewhere in the process of changing genders. Or at least wants to. His wife posted on facebook about her desire to change pronouns and I thought there was mention of medical treatments. I found it interesting for mom to post it on FB. I just went back to verify it. The post is gone. That makes more sense. Her mom was trying to be supportive but I am sure the earth stopped revolving and the polar fields reversed their polarity. Not to mention hoards of people were being accosted by roaming packs of feral ermine.
Personally I have no say in the matter. I am glad she is not my child. It would be extremely difficult to be supportive. I have not had much interaction with them in a while. That's what happens when the family ages and the grandparent anchors are gone. It is not my intent to be cruel but when I heard this I wondered if part of the reason for her desire to change genders was because she wasn't the cheerleader type. I have no idea if she was picked on as a child for her looks or body type. Knowing that people can be mean, it's very possible. I do find it ironic that I am mentioning that she isn't the fairest damsel in the land while saying others probably called her names. It's not my intent to body shame her. I would never accept someone else doing so. I'm simply trying to convey that she has had challenges in her life and I wonder if that has had an impact on her choices.
Anyway our family reunion is in a few weeks. I hope my cousin and his wife are there. I would like to have a better understanding of the situation. 

Originally Posted by: wpr 



This kind of fits with my daughter too. She doesn't have the boobies that society deems as a trait of a woman. It's hard to get through to your child though when the school gives an avenue of communication not afforded to you. I am not saying I want to change my child's mind. I'm saying -- I want to be involved. I'm at the point now where I just randomly text her saying I love and miss, how things going, etc ... rarely do I hear anything back. My oldest says she "just needs someone to hate and she picked you dad". I asked why and she says "because she knows you can take it". 

Male. Female. Whichever. I would love my child either way. It's a bit depressing how little contact there is over the last year or so. All I can do is make sure to remind her the door is open and I'm always there for her no matter what.
UserPostedImage
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
a year ago
Excellent Kevin. Never give up. Never "pull back the hand of friendship". Never quit on your children.

We were still in our 40s when I heard someone ask "why do we hurt the very people that we love the most?" I made up my mind to not be as antagonist to my wife and kids. Whenever I feel the situation ramping up I do my best to deescalate it.
Social standards chew our kids up. I remember my daughter feeling so alone and friendless because she was the first girl to have "that special time of the month." She was 10. My sister told me that her oldest daughter was struggling because she was the last in her class. She was 16. The pack mentality hates aberration.
UserPostedImage
Cheesey
a year ago
Science says that if you are born with a penis, you are a boy.  With a vagina, a girl.  And no matter what you want, or have cut off, your DNA still will show what you really are.  
Most people that desire to change what they are is because of things that happen to them. Not feminine enough? Bullied because of it? Then I'll be a BOY.   Boy Too feminine ? Not good at sports?; Parents show more attention to my sister? Then I'll be a GIRL!
Or a girl molested by her father or other make family member? Hate men and be GAY.  There are underlying things that most of the time affects people wanting the switch.
My wife worked with 2 women that ended up in a lesbian relationship. Both had been married (to men) and we're beat up by their scumbag husband's. So they hooked up. But you know what? They ended up beating on each other. 
As a young kid I was bad at sports, not muscular, small and picked on. Yet I never wanted to be a girl or to want to sexually mess around with boys. I always liked girls....even though they never seemed to like me!🥴
UserPostedImage
earthquake
a year ago

One of my girls has been active in the LGBTQ community. We've went rounds numerous times because I don't agree with changing your genital's (more lack of confidence in our doctors than anything to be frank), but also would never condemn anyone or tell someone they cannot do it. I quantify this statement saying I'm a man who was born male and is comfortable as man, so I can't speak about someone born female who believes they should be male or vice versa. I feel that is their prerogative. 

What does bother me is how the schools push it. I've seen it in the High School in the district I live in and it's made me a bit uncomfortable. I do not like the schools doing things with my kids that can be potentially life altering and without my knowledge. That feels wrong to me. If they skip school, it's on the parents. If they break the law, the parents are held responsible. And on and on. So, if I am always responsible for my child, should I be kept in the dark about things pertaining directly to them? 

The way our High School handled something made me feel like I was responsible for a car that I wasn't driving and they were telling the occupants "it's okay to speed, it's okay to change lanes whenever you want-no signal needed, it's okay not to wear safety belt because you are not comfortable with those things" and yet when that child does something wrong. Who's on the chopping block being talked down to like he's a negligent parent?

This view is difficult because I know some parents are just complete assholes to their kids. So I get why the school provides that option. So, when it all comes down to it, ti's more of a beef between my child and myself than the school. I just don't like that the school enables it and provides an avenue of descension. 
 

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Yeah, this seems especially rough for parents who are supportive and want to be involved.

I feel like there should be some avenue for kids who have abusive parents or other situations like this to seek help, guidance, care, etc, without the express permission of their parents. But I'm not sure that a blanket policy is best. On the other hand, requiring the child to prove their abusive situation while not involving the parent(s) and making the situation even worse doesn't seem like a realistic option. I've seen how bad this can get with my parents beating the shit out of my sister and kicking her out of the house over and over for liking girls when she was a teenager.

As far as trans policies in school I don't have a better idea and I'm glad I'm not responsible for figuring this out.

I hope things improve with you and your daughter's relationship, if you stick by her and continue to be supportive I'm sure it will. Hopefully, she just needs time to process all of this.
blank
earthquake
a year ago

Science says that if you are born with a penis, you are a boy.  With a vagina, a girl.  And no matter what you want, or have cut off, your DNA still will show what you really are.  
Most people that desire to change what they are is because of things that happen to them. Not feminine enough? Bullied because of it? Then I'll be a BOY.   Boy Too feminine ? Not good at sports?; Parents show more attention to my sister? Then I'll be a GIRL!
Or a girl molested by her father or other make family member? Hate men and be GAY.  There are underlying things that most of the time affects people wanting the switch.
My wife worked with 2 women that ended up in a lesbian relationship. Both had been married (to men) and we're beat up by their scumbag husband's. So they hooked up. But you know what? They ended up beating on each other. 
As a young kid I was bad at sports, not muscular, small and picked on. Yet I never wanted to be a girl or to want to sexually mess around with boys. I always liked girls....even though they never seemed to like me!🥴

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I would say the correlation here is rather tenuous. As you mention, being bullied didn't turn you gay. Some basic points:
  • For many gay kids/teens, the abuse starts after other people (parents, classmates, etc) find out they are gay/queer/other/etc - or at the very least tends to get much worse
  • Many people have very happy and healthy childhoods, and still end up being gay, bi, trans, etc
  • Abuse and trauma are common enough that it's easy to find an overlap if you go looking for one
  • Being gay doesn't mean you hate the opposite sex - this is very rarely the case
  • RE: abusive lesbian relationships, there are a lot of straight people who are attracted to people who are abusive or very bad for them in other ways too - this isn't a unique characteristic of gay relationships. Who you're attracted to isn't always rational, no matter if you love the same or opposite sex.


blank
Cheesey
a year ago
I guess what I'm saying is, that the gay people I've met almost always have reasons that lead them down that path.
another personal example was a teenage boy I knew named Zack. His mother was in an abusive relationship, and she turned gay .  After that she was always stating how much she hated men.  Zack hearing that every day, suddenly becomes gay. What was going through his head? I bet it was "Mom hates men, I'm a male, she will hate me then." So he switched sides so Mom would love him. 
I know not all gay people had bad lives and that's why they went that way . Just the people I have personally known have had those things happen.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
dfosterf (36m) : that from Jaire
dfosterf (37m) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'
Zero2Cool (39m) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"
dfosterf (42m) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it
Zero2Cool (45m) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.
dfosterf (45m) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent
dfosterf (47m) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility
dfosterf (49m) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission
dfosterf (50m) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers
Zero2Cool (1h) : That someone ... likely the agent.
Zero2Cool (1h) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.
Zero2Cool (1h) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.
Zero2Cool (1h) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.
dfosterf (3h) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"
dfosterf (3h) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that
dfosterf (3h) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?
Zero2Cool (18h) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Jalen Ramsey wants to be traded. He's never happy is he?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : two 1sts in 2022 and two 2nd's in 2023 and 2024
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers had fortunate last three drafts.
dfosterf (15-Apr) : I may have to move
dfosterf (15-Apr) : My wife just told the ancient Japanese sushi dude not enough rice under his fish
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I think a dozen is what I need
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Go fund me for this purpose just might work. A dozen nurses show up at 1265 to provide mental health assistance.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Maybe send a crew of Angels to the Packers draft room on draft day.
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I am the Angel that gets visited.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Visiting Angels has a pretty good reputation
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : what
Martha Careful (14-Apr) : WINNING IT, not someone else losing it. The best victory though was re-uniting with his wife
Martha Careful (14-Apr) : The manner in which he won it was just amazing and wonderful. First blowing the lead then getting back, then blowing it. But ultimately
Zero2Cool (12-Apr) : I'm guessing since the thumb was broken, he wasn't feeling it.
dfosterf (10-Apr) : Looking for guidance. Not feeling the thumb.
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : If they knew about it or not
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : I don't recall that he did which is why I asked.
Zero2Cool (10-Apr) : Guessing they probably knew. Did he have cast or something on?
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : Did they know that at the time or was that something the realized afterwards?
Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Van Ness played most of season with broken thumb
wpr (9-Apr) : yay
Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Mark Murphy says Steelers likely to protect Packers game. Meaning, no Ireland
Zero2Cool (8-Apr) : Struggling to figure out what text editor options are needed and which are 'nice to have'
Mucky Tundra (8-Apr) : *CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP*
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : WR who said he'd break Xavier Worthy 40 time...and ran slower than you
Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Who?
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Texas’ WR Isaiah Bond is scheduled to visit the Bills, Browns, Chiefs, Falcons, Packers and Titans starting next week.
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Spotting ball isn't changing, only measuring distance is, Which wasn't the issue.
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : The spotting of the ball IS the issue. Not the chain gang.
Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Will there be a tracker on the ball or something?
Zero2Cool (1-Apr) : uh oh
Martha Careful (1-Apr) : Too bad camera's can't spot the ball as well.
Mucky Tundra (1-Apr) : So will the chain gang be gone completely or will they still be around as a backup or whatever?
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

15-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

13-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

12-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

11-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Rockmolder

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

31-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

30-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

29-Mar / Random Babble / wpr

28-Mar / Random Babble / Martha Careful

26-Mar / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

25-Mar / Random Babble / Martha Careful

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.