packman31
16 years ago
Why is it we can't generate any kind of pass rush ? Not just yesterday, seems like no matter who the QB is on the other side of the ball they can just stand back there and wait for someone to get open.
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HoustonMatt
16 years ago
It's really as simple as not having pass rushing talent on the team. KGB, Corey Williams, and Cullen Jenkins combined for over 20 sacks last year. Their presence makes it easier for the other guys too. There's really no other way to explain it.
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yooperfan
16 years ago

It's really as simple as not having pass rushing talent on the team. KGB, Corey Williams, and Cullen Jenkins combined for over 20 sacks last year. Their presence makes it easier for the other guys too. There's really no other way to explain it.

"mattresell" wrote:



I second that emotion!!!!!!!!
digsthepack
16 years ago
The lack of talent is part of it, but I firmly believe that Sander is not a creative coordinator who can overcome injuries and manufacture a rush.

Our blitzes are useless 90 % of the time; the team looks slow relative to many we play against; and the defense only works if the moon and sun are in proper alignment.

In an age where aggressive defense wins, ours is fairly passive....getting to the QB is the name of the game as offenses are so creative as to be able to overcome most of what they face if the QB is given enough time. And, we ALWAYS give the opposing QB PLENTY of time to perforn their vivisection of our defense.

Sanders eems like a decent guy, but if he is our D coord next year, my faith in Mike McCarthy will be shaken.
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Timmons
16 years ago
What pass rush? Our d line is the reason we're below .500 this year. If this is not addressed, nothing else matters. I am to the point now where I expect us to lose and have begun celebrating it pending a better draft pick, as the playoffs are out of reach. Either way though, our d-line leaves a LOT to be desired.
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warhawk
16 years ago
What really hurt was Jenkins going down because what he could do both from the inside and at end is sorely missed.

I think with him back and getting another really good RDE and we will be back in buisness.

Nothing from the right forcing a QB left hurts what Kampman can do and also leads to all the double teams he gets.

But what Jenkins could do from the middle on early passing downs getting in there is killing us right now. We basically have no rush when our opponents pass the ball on first or second down and we are not a playoff caliber team without it.
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TengoJuego
16 years ago
You guys all really share the same opinion, and I do too. Not having Cullen is really, really, really, hurting us. Aaron is almost a non presence(2 sack yes but...) and I now really see how important Cullen is to him. It doesn't allow a team to just double one guy because you have another to worry about. And we don't have that right now and we wont for the rest of the season unfortunately.
Pack93z
16 years ago
I think, yes Jenkins hurt, but it is the interior pass rush that is the most lacking... QB's are almost completely free to step up into the pocket, and if they choose to, can scramble easily.. we have no.. none.. notta ounce of push inside...

I will say it again.. Williams was able to give us that push inside, Jenkins could as well.. those two would rotate in on passing down with KGB looping way outside using his speed.. it was pretty effective most weeks.. 3/4 of that is off the field right now.. Pickett and Jolly are stand them up guys for the most part..

Add to that we have very little available to rotate at the ends giving Kampy a breather here and there.. amounts to what you see.. guys that aren't winning their match ups..

But it isn't just a RDE missing that would help.. but we got nothing inside.

Is Harrell that guy.. maybe.. maybe not..
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longtimefan
16 years ago
do not know what this concept of a pass rush is??

Never seen it?
all_about_da_packers
16 years ago

It's really as simple as not having pass rushing talent on the team. KGB, Corey Williams, and Cullen Jenkins combined for over 20 sacks last year. Their presence makes it easier for the other guys too. There's really no other way to explain it.

"mattresell" wrote:



Totally agree, except I think our coaches, whether they be Sanders or Winston Moss, are not good at teaching and co-ordinating blitzes.

When one of our best blitzers, Chillar, credits his time under Jim Hasslet for becoming the effective blitzer he has been this season, well I think that's really telling.

I think some new asst. coaches are going to be needed to take this scheme to the next level.
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