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5 years ago
In other offensive line news, I see the Bears signed an extension with RT Bobby Massey. One gone.
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sschind
5 years ago

In other offensive line news, I see the Bears signed an extension with RT Bobby Massey. One gone.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



One gone and the baseline salary set at 8 million per year for a top level RT?
Cheesey
5 years ago
Picking up good free agents can really make a difference. Look at the 1996 super bowl team. Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Jackson, Rison, Desmond Howard, all made major impacts. And I bet I’m not even naming all of them. You have to be willing to spend to get the really good players.
Not the “over the hill has been”, but ones that really have a shot at being great.
Letting Cook go and signing an over the hill Graham saved money, but hurt the team big time.
If you are satisfied with mediocre, that’s fine. But if you want championship winning, it won’t fly.
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beast
5 years ago

The thinking was apparently, that given enough supplemental draft picks, plus UDFA's, with awesome scouting and player selection, you didn't need FA's....and when you have either not so awesome scouting or poor player selection....the rest is history.

Packer History suggests that the addition of key FA's is what is necessary to supplement an imperfect draft outcome. When a team doesn't participate meaningfully in FA, its chances of getting to the top are de minimis.

Originally Posted by: KRK 

Except the Packers did have a few key FA's under Thompson, such as Woodson, Pickett, Peppers... so apparently the thinking was NOT that you don't need FA's... just that you need them to either be elite or at the right price point.

Which the entire NFL (as a whole) has seemingly gone more towards that Thompson model ... getting younger, less expensive players, because the cap limit is a problem (this also hurts more complex schemes (such as MM's) which need players together longer to form chemistry and read and all be on the same page. But back to the NFL getting younger...

According to research by the Associated Press, the average NFL roster is getting younger, which means older players (who earn more money) are having a harder time finding and keeping jobs.

The study showed that the average experience of a player on an NFL opening-day rosters was 4.6 years in 2005, and was 4.3 this year.

In 2005, there were 784 players with three years of experience or less and 714 with five or more years. This season, there were 852 of the younger ones and 644 of the older ones.

Effectively, that points to the shrinking middle class in the NFL, as teams increasingly choose to pay a few stars, and fill in the roster with cheaper alternatives than guys who have been around.

“You don’t really have a lot of middle-class older guys. It’s actually kind of sad,” Lions safety Glover Quin said.

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This post is pretty ironic, because you're complaining about the Packers not willing to spend money to get really good players and TEs, when actually the Packers did spend money pretty good money in attempts to get really good TEs.

Also you're mistaken about the saving money part... it actually cost more money. Cook contract was cheaper than Bennett and Graham contract.

So you're complaining about what the Packers did, suggesting it leads to mediocre, but at the very same time, promoting exactly what the Packers did, hinting that it'll lead to championship winning...

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Cheesey
5 years ago
Ok Beast. How about-maybe having people that are better at deciding if a player is still good, and not a huge waste of money?
Many people on this site said they thought Graham was done, not anywhere near what he once was. Yet the “big wigs” in Green Bay thought he was worth big bucks. Yet Cook, who had proved his worth was was allowed to walk.
So obviously money is not the point, but ability by your guys to be better at SPENDING said money. To be better at judging talent, and not waiting until the best FA’s are already signed by other teams. Not being afraid to jump in and grab some players that can really matter to your team.
There.....is that better?
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beast
5 years ago

Ok Beast. How about-maybe having people that are better at deciding if a player is still good, and not a huge waste of money?
Many people on this site said they thought Graham was done, not anywhere near what he once was. Yet the “big wigs” in Green Bay thought he was worth big bucks. Yet Cook, who had proved his worth was was allowed to walk.
So obviously money is not the point, but ability by your guys to be better at SPENDING said money. To be better at judging talent, and not waiting until the best FA’s are already signed by other teams. Not being afraid to jump in and grab some players that can really matter to your team.
There.....is that better?

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Um, well based on rumors, they wanted to sign Cook and tried hard to resign Cook... until he (or more likely his agent) played hardball with price too much and out priced his market... where Cook and Bennett were both asking for $7 million per year and Bennett had graded up much better (due to much better blocking) and so the Packers signed the TE who had graded out better for about the same price as Cook was demanding... and Cook FINALLY later lower his price to $5.3 million per year. But the Packers might of been willing to sign Cook to $5.5 million, but his (or his agents) demands were higher...

So the Packers did exactly what you said... they didn't wait until the best FA TE (in their grades) signed by another team, and we're not being afraid to jump in and sign Bennett and letting Cook and his equally high contract demands go.

Clearly in hindsight that was a HUGE mistake... but at the time, it seemed like they had an upgrade. And Cook had to settle for an amount that the Packers might of agreed to, but at the time they weren't.

And Tony Romo (who seems to be right about a lot of stuff) thought Graham would be huge for the Packers... and I think he was on pace for close to 1,000 yards before his knee injury.

Speaking of Bennett: Marcesdes Lewis was on Bennett's talk show... and Bennett said McCarthy's offense was the worst offense for TEs, and Lewis followed in agreement saying "no question" (about that). Bennett's reasoning was that the TEs don't run the seam, deep 7 nor deep over routes in MM's offense, which are very successful for TEs in other offenses. Also Rodgers likes to throw to the outside, and avoids the middle more. But they also talk about Rodgers throwing.

Here for video of Lewis/Bennett (warning there is cussing)
https://sports.yahoo.com/watch-week-18-mostly-football-martellus-bennett-yahoo-sports-192146936.html 

Lewis interview starts at 46:22. Packer talk Ends 52:10.
Locker room/Aaron Rodgers talk begins at 49:22.
Lewis explains why he wants to come back to Green Bay next season. 55:00.





https://sports.yahoo.com/watch-week-18-mostly-football-martellus-bennett-yahoo-sports-192146936.html 
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gbguy20
5 years ago
Cheeses has a point. The Jimmy signing was a huge bust and many people said that before he even played a game here.
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Zero2Cool
5 years ago

Also you're mistaken about the saving money part... it actually cost more money. Cook contract was cheaper than Bennett and Graham contract.

So you're complaining about what the Packers did, suggesting it leads to mediocre, but at the very same time, promoting exactly what the Packers did, hinting that it'll lead to championship winning...

Originally Posted by: beast 



Are you sure? I thought the two year deal Martellus signed was less than Cook? Or are you saying percent of cap not dollar figures?
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5 years ago
Beast said

Except the Packers did have a few key FA's under Thompson, such as Woodson, Pickett, Peppers... so apparently the thinking was NOT that you don't need FA's... just that you need them to either be elite or at the right price point.

which is precisely why I had wriiten “Packer history suggests....”


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Zero2Cool
5 years ago
I still think Howard Green was one of the best 2010 free agent pickups. If it wasn't for his push in XLV, Ben doesn't lob an easy pick six for Nick Collins. Okay, the interception was easy, the return was magical.
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