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This is one instance where a “normal” GM would walk down the hall and say to Philbin, “play Kizer.”

Then he would walk down the hall to 12 and say” Big boy, I am sitting your ass down. I appreciate the you want to play, but for good of the organization, we need to see what we have with Kizer. Besides, we have 3 back-up on the Oline and I want you 100 going into next season”

So, with our predent structure, Murphy is the only one with that authority.

IMO, the Board should be looking at whether or not he takes action or orchestrates this to happen.
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Lot of talk about the "structure" of our organization. HALF the league has the exact same structure except you replace the "president" (Murphy) with owner. Getting really tired of hearing about it. It's normal.
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6 years ago
Say what you want about Ted Thompson, this situation would never had been questioned when he was in charge.

Some may be tired of hearing about it, but since Murphy changed the pecking order, seems ther is quite a bit of dissaray.

I don't give a damn what other teams are doing.

Murphy has totally screwed up.

Funny thing, most are blaming Ted Thompson, he is on his way out, others are blaming Mike McCarthy, he is gone.

John Dorsey, Elliot Wolf, and others are gone.

Mark Murphy is getting no blame, when he is the one making most of these decisions.

Not sure how long he will get away with whatever the hell he is doing, but until things go in a different direction, I don't see a bright future.

You may be tired of hearing about it, but it is what it is, and so far it's not working very well!

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
Zero2Cool
6 years ago

Lot of talk about the "structure" of our organization. HALF the league has the exact same structure except you replace the "president" (Murphy) with owner. Getting really tired of hearing about it. It's normal.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



THANK YOU!!!

Holy fuck, it's nice when someone actually speaks facts.
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buckeyepackfan
6 years ago

THANK YOU!!!

Holy fuck, it's nice when someone actually speaks facts.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I guess that means The other half does it the way The Packers did it Before Murphy decided to change things.

Seems The Packers were pretty successful doing it The Old Way!

FACT!!!!!!


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Zero2Cool
6 years ago

I guess that means The other half does it the way The Packers did it Before Murphy decided to change things.

Seems The Packers were pretty successful doing it The Old Way!

FACT!!!!!!

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 


FACT, you need to calm your tits.
I'm not convinced this is long-term. I believe in 2-3 years Brian G is gonna promoted and eventually Mark Murphy is gonna step back. I think this whole structure is more of a front to the public than anything. Based on everything I've heard, and listened to from them, that's where this is coming from. It feels more like Mark is really wants Brian to succeed so he's putting his ass out to take the blows.

But yea, you need to calm your tits and let shit play out. We've had one season under this current structure.

This fan base is insane. Absolutely insane! We have a couple shitty seasons and suddenly everything, including our (most likely Hall of Fame) QB needs to be scrapped.
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I regret having brought this up again. I did not mean to have it cause animosity....sorry

I was simply trying to point out that Murph would need to be involve with the decision to sit 12.
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buckeyepackfan
6 years ago

FACT, you need to calm your tits.
I'm not convinced this is long-term. I believe in 2-3 years Brian G is gonna promoted and eventually Mark Murphy is gonna step back. I think this whole structure is more of a front to the public than anything. Based on everything I've heard, and listened to from them, that's where this is coming from. It feels more like Mark is really wants Brian to succeed so he's putting his ass out to take the blows.

But yea, you need to calm your tits and let shit play out. We've had one season under this current structure.

This fan base is insane. Absolutely insane! We have a couple shitty seasons and suddenly everything, including our (most likely Hall of Fame) QB needs to be scrapped.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Who's not calm?

Just stating facts.

Mark Murphy screwed up after last season, now who knows what he has planned?

You can't half-ass a realignment or a retool.

Murphy is doing both!!!

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This is one instance where a “normal” GM would walk down the hall and say to Philbin, “play Kizer.”

Originally Posted by: KRK 

This entire thread is based on this one comment, which seems like complete bullshit... But for debating sake (because I can be wrong)...

Can you please list examples of how "normal" GMs have actually frequently done this...

What other teams (with "Normal" GMs) have actually done that this year? Or last year?

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Zero2Cool
6 years ago

Mark Murphy screwed up after last season, now who knows what he has planned?

You can't half-ass a realignment or a retool.

Murphy is doing both!!!

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



This is solely your opinion. It is not a fact. You don't know what is going on and instead of thinking you might be wrong, you're rampaging that things aren't being done in a manner you understand that can be successful.

We don't know that Mark Murphy screwed up last season. Hell, we might still have Mike McCarthy as HC if Mark hadn't open those lines of communication.

We just do not know anything and have to let it ride out.

I just don't get why getting so riled up over something we just don't know everything about.
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At this point in the 2018 season, with the playoffs out of the picture, Sit Rodgers and some others as well. TANK the remainder of the season to get higher draft picks in the 2019 NFL Draft. Wins at this point serve only to work against the Packers. In addition, reducing the risk of injury to 1st team players could serve to benefit next seasons campaign.

Also, giving 2nd and 3rd tier players regular season experience can give the Packers better depth moving forward.

Sit Him , I say Hell Yes !
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Play kumerow extensively
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Zero2Cool
6 years ago
If the player is at no further risk, they play. It's sickening to read fans wanting healthy players to sit. That is horrible, absolutely horrible leadership. If Aaron Rodgers is healthy, he plays. If he has a bum wheel, bum shoulder, THEN you sit his ass down.

Able bodies play. This is a TEAM game and they are paid for 16 games a season.

Let's not forget the words of Vince Lombardi.

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6 years ago

If the player is at no further risk, they play. It's sickening to read fans wanting healthy players to sit. That is horrible, absolutely horrible leadership. If Aaron Rodgers is healthy, he plays. If he has a bum wheel, bum shoulder, THEN you sit his ass down.

Able bodies play. This is a TEAM game and they are paid for 16 games a season.

Let's not forget the words of Vince Lombardi.

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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Rodgers is healthy?

Ok

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Ok, so Rodgers plays against the Jets on Sunday. With no possibility of the Packers getting into the playoffs or the Packers fighting for a higher seed and a bye in the playoffs. When a win could mean a lesser place to pick from in the 2019 NFL Draft and your risking your best asset for a return that that is not worth the risk. So during that game, being the competitor that he is, Rodgers gets badly injured, will you say that it was worth the risk?

Save your best assets for next season when they compete for something. Playing the best assets in two meaningless games is like killing yourself working for someone digging a ditch and getting paid 15 cents an hour, it's just not worth it.
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6 years ago
Meaningless games? What a spoiled entitled group.
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6 years ago
Which is better for the team? Winning a couple games to build momentum for next season or playing the young guys and getting better draft position?

Personally I think it's better to play the young guys and attain better draft position. The difference between drafting 8th vs drafting 15th has some real tangible value. Seeing which young players can contribute and which need replacing has value.

buckeyepackfan
6 years ago

Meaningless games? What a spoiled entitled group.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I think it's admiral that Aaron wants to finish out the season.
The obvious question is why should The Packers risk an injury to him.

It seems anyone with an injury that will take a couple of weeks or more to heal is being put on ir.

Why risk further injury?

There is going to be a whole new system to learn next year.

Any familiarity these young receivers get by playing with Aaron these next 2 weeks isn't going to matter next year as they all will have to learn the new system.

Aaron and Davante want to light it up the next 2 weeks, that's fine with me, just hope nobody gets injured.
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If I can re-frame the argument...it is NOT a meaningless game. NFL live reps are extremely valuable in evaluating talent. Therefore, I want to see:
- If Kizer, after a full season in a system, can execute. I honestly don't know if he could be a star, a starter or an adequate back-up. I would like to know....and these live reps are valuable
- In turn, I would like to know whether Philbin can coach him up.
- I want to see whether there is a chemistry problem with our wide-outs and Kizer, or is it just 12.
- I want to see more of Spriggs at RT. He was comparable to Bulaga against Mack in game 1. So even if Bulaga can go, I want to see Spriggs.

Its not just about sitting 12. Winning the last two games is nice but I want what is best for the Packers future.

I fully respect the position of those of you who want the field the best team to win NOW and get momentum. But there is another valid point of view.

Since we are out of the playoffs, many of us want to field the team that will enable the front office to make decisions evaluate the roster so that more intelligent moves can be made in the off-season.
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Get Davante to 1600. Give kumerow a chance to be Cobb. Lose both games.
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