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beast
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5 years ago

Collinsworth is right, Murphy and now Gutekunst did Mike a favor.

Gutless is what this is.

Murphy screwed up by half assing it last year and now is throwing all the blame on Mike with help from Gutekunst

Going to be real interesting who THEY hire.
The chain of command is severely flawed in Green Bay.

Mark Murphy comes out smelling like a rose.

Behind closed doors he has to be laughing all the way to the bank.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

I disagree, Murphy said he'd make the decision, he never said he wouldn't take others input into making it.

Also can you imagine firing Mike McCarthy and the new coach going 4-7-1 or whatever, we would be all hate for the new guy.

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

5 years ago

#22

Murphy screwed up by half assing it last year and now is throwing all the blame on Mike with help from Gutekunst .

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

I disagree. The reality is that in firing most of his assistants, McCarthy set himself up as the fall guy for this season. There really was no one left to fire, and I think McCarthy realized that early on. He's a smart guy; he probably went into the season knowing that there was a decent chance he'd be shown the door if he didn't turn this team around in a major way -- and then not only did the team not improve, it arguably got worse. He had to have known the handwriting was on the wall. In fact, based on what he said during his press conference this afternoon, he may have suspected that the axe would fall before the weekend was out.

Also can you imagine firing Mike McCarthy and the new coach going 4-7-1 or whatever, we would be all hate for the new guy.

Originally Posted by: beast

On a related note, I've read some speculation that Murphy may have changed the organizational structure precisely to shield Gutekunst from attack if it became necessary at some point to fire McCarthy. With the structure he set up, Gutekunst had an entire season to bring in new personnel while giving McCarthy a chance to prove to the world he could produce under the new system -- or fall flat on his face. Had Gutekunst fired McCarthy straight out of the gate and brought in a new coach, both Gutekunst and the new coach would have come under fire as soon as the team started to struggle. In the end, Murphy's decisions probably worked out the best for everyone concerned.

Nonstopdrivel
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5 years ago

#23

As things stood on the day McCarthy was fired, it was team president Mark Murphy’s call. He changed the organizational structure in January, when he forced out aging general manager Ted Thompson and promoted Brian Gutekunst. In the same move, he took the power over the head coach away from the GM’s office and gave it to himself, straying from the Packers’ long-standing successful model that began when Ron Wolf was brought in as general manager in 1991.

Perhaps Murphy will return to that power structure. If so, one league source said he expected Gutekunst to want a "no-nonsense guy." The source said Gutekunst has long been a fan of Jim Harbaugh, the current Michigan coach and former 49ers coach.

Rob Demovsky wrote:

Dear god, no. 🤨

Whether it’s Murphy, Gutekunst or some combination of both making the hire, the Packers would almost certainly have to hire an offensive-minded head coach to work closely with Rodgers. Harbaugh fits that description, but so do myriad candidates who will be discussed. Among them: interim head coach Joe Philbin, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, Vikings offensive coordinator John DeFilippo and Saints offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael.

Rob Demovsky wrote:

I don't agree with this assessment. Bill Belichick was historically a defensive-minded coach, yet when he was gifted Tom Brady, he became an offensive genius. I think I'd rather bring in a hard-nosed defensive-oriented coach who has the self-confidence to delegate offensive playcalling duties to an assistant and has the charisma and vision to oversee the entire team. Forge a stingy, punishing defense that stifles opposing offenses, and Aaron Rodgers doesn't have to play like a god to carry this team week after week.

beast
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5 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

I believe the rumors at the time (never confirmed) was that Mike McCarthy was the one wanting some protection from a new GM (and maybe Ball too? ... though I honestly have no idea why Ball is on that upper tier too?... and he could be the next big name to go in the future).

I agree, assuming Mike McCarthy can rebound into a decent job, and the Packers can get a decent new head coach, this way might of been better than just firing him right after Gute was hired.

sschind
Senior Member

5 years ago

#25

Dear god, no. 🤨

I don't agree with this assessment. Bill Belichick was historically a defensive-minded coach, yet when he was gifted Tom Brady, he became an offensive genius. I think I'd rather bring in a hard-nosed defensive-oriented coach who has the self-confidence to delegate offensive playcalling duties to an assistant and has the charisma and vision to oversee the entire team. Forge a stingy, punishing defense that stifles opposing offenses, and Aaron Rodgers doesn't have to play like a god to carry this team week after week.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

In response to Demovsky's comment I wonder if there has ever been a GM anywhere who ever said "You know, I'm really looking for a nonsense type of guy this time around"

I think the fear of a defensive minded coach is two pronged. First off I think many fans are finally happy that we seem to have gotten a defensive coordinator who may actually improve the defense and they are afraid that if we get a defensive minded coach that may limit some of what Mike Pettine has already done.

Second I think they assume that since we have Aaron Rodgers we need an offensive minded coach to help bring him back to his old self.

I kind of agree with you. I think the right OC and offensive coaching staff could do just fine bringing our offense back to what it was. I also like your idea of a stifling defense. A coach with a strong defensive background may want to bring in his own DC but maybe not. If he sees what Pettine has done so far and what he has done in the past he may feel he can work with him to create just the type of defense you mention.

I never really liked the idea of a HC calling the plays. I always felt it kept him too much out of tune with the entire team. Sure it can work but like you I would rather see a guy who is great at motivating players and coaches to accomplish his vision and not feel that he has to do it all himself.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

5 years ago

#26

I don't agree with this assessment. Bill Belichick was historically a defensive-minded coach, yet when he was gifted Tom Brady, he became an offensive genius.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

Wait, what?? I thought Tom Brady was 6th round pick, 199th overall or something? How is that being gifted Tom Brady?? lol

Zero2Cool
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5 years ago

#27

beast
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5 years ago

#28

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Great stuff there... thought he never said between Rodgers and MM, which one was the wife 😝 JK

But yeah what Jones mentions is one problem with having the head coach call the plays (at least if he's not the one running the offense in practice) getting the good feedback.

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