It sounds to me like you're fixated on the people clamoring for McCarthy's head and ignoring the fact that those same people are calling for a thorough housecleaning in Green Bay. The Packers' problems are by no means completely McCarthy's fault -- but neither is he finding ways to clean them up. Some of these issues have been endemic for the better part of a decade now. They've changed out the front office, and things haven't gotten better. What do you propose as the next step?

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 

The conversation should start at the weak roster IMO. This was a 3-7 roster sans Rodgers just a year ago. IMO the assessment should be on growth. This team played two road games and had a very realistic chance but for two fumbles against two of the best. That's growth, IMO.

21 million is wrapped up in VET edge rushers who didn't touch Brady. Right tackle health/competence is clearly an issue. I like the upside of the young corners and WRs, but Brady's final TD, or ARs preseason comments highlight the inevitable growing pains and illustrate why I feel we need to set realistic expectations.

Originally Posted by: musccy 

BBoystyle...
Do you think Develin or whoever their fullback was in yesterday was a better option for NE than Patterson or White at RB? He was in there, so using Ty being on the field at times as an example of "bad coaching" I just don't see. Ty was pulled in the end of the Rams game which led to all of last week's drama, so Mike McCarthy did exactly what you're blaming him for.

You talked about players getting drafted and playing out of their natural position - was Patterson drafted as a RB? I don't know what you're getting at here.

I don't mean to poke at a debate with just you. I'm also not saying MM's w/o faults, but the "MM is bad because they're struggling, and Andy Reid is great because KC is winning'' narrative (which I acknowledge I'm over simplifying a bit) isn't nearly as nuanced as the reality of the problems are. I live an hour from Philly, trust me, they don't share the same opinion of Andy's proficiency as others do.

Originally Posted by: musccy 

I stole this idea from Ketchman, but I do agree if Mike McCarthy is fired, he's on a flight to Cleveland that day landing on his feet.

Originally Posted by: musccy 

BBoystyle...
Do you think Develin or whoever their fullback was in yesterday was a better option for NE than Patterson or White at RB? He was in there, so using Ty being on the field at times as an example of "bad coaching" I just don't see. Ty was pulled in the end of the Rams game which led to all of last week's drama, so Mike McCarthy did exactly what you're blaming him for.

You talked about players getting drafted and playing out of their natural position - was Patterson drafted as a RB? I don't know what you're getting at here.

I don't mean to poke at a debate with just you. I'm also not saying MM's w/o faults, but the "MM is bad because they're struggling, and Andy Reid is great because KC is winning'' narrative (which I acknowledge I'm over simplifying a bit) isn't nearly as nuanced as the reality of the problems are. I live an hour from Philly, trust me, they don't share the same opinion of Andy's proficiency as others do.

Originally Posted by: musccy