QB target breakdown· Page 2

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

Yes, I got that... but why is behind, more elite? Unless, by your example... more WRs are running into coverage than out of it... (which I thought they were supposed to do the opposite of that).

Originally Posted by: beast

I'm assuming its dictated by the route and coverage and all the plots, are just all of the plots, not necessary all the plots for one single route. I would think if you're streaking down the field with a trailing CB and the ball is thrown behind you, that must be rated less than if the ball was just over your shoulder. However, if you're ass is facing the sidelines and you got a CB covering you, then behind you (towards out of bounds) is good.

wpr
Preferred Member

7 years ago

#12

What? You don’t KNOW?!?!
NO SOUP FOR YOU WPR!!!!🤣

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

Yes I know the line is no soup for you. What I asked is for Smokey to explain why it was relevant to one or more of the posts in this thread. He chose not to respond. I am ok with that. It's his right.
Since commented, I will ask you, do you know?

Smokey
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#13

Yes, if the WR is running into coverage, you as a WR want that ball slightly behind you to slow down your momentum. If you're running a slant with no one in front of you, then behind would be bad targeting.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Slowing down a receiver's momentum on a slant or deep route due to bad ball placement is poor QB play. It's the kind of play that should not be rewarded with soup or a bigger contract or even an, "at a boy".

Having to explain something as simple as responding to a post with a picture is like having to point out the hidden pictures in a child's magazine game. EX: See the fish in the tree Johnny? [facepalm]

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

#14

Originally Posted by: Smokey

Why are you quoting me and then saying this? Did you not understand what I said or do you really think WR's want to be lead into a charging defender? I can tell you from first hand experience of throwing the ball, and catching the ball, you do NOT want that to ever happen. Ya feel that sh*t the next morning, lol.

Having to explain something as simple as responding to a post with a picture is like having to point out the hidden pictures in a child's magazine game. EX: See the fish in the tree Johnny? [facepalm]

Originally Posted by: Smokey

If you have to explain the joke, it's not a joke.

Smokey
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#15

Most of the better QB's don't throw the ball to a receiver that has a "charging defender" bearing down on them. However, good ball placement to a receiver that does not require them to slow down, often results in big gains.

As the "Soup Nazi" photo is concerned, it was Deputy Dog that tried to belittle it. He does not need the Marshall to run to his aid.

wpr
Preferred Member

7 years ago

#16

Originally Posted by: Smokey

I was not belittling your post. I even said so. I said that I didn't understand the reference. No where did I indicate it was you or your post. Get over it. By the way if I had made the deputy dog comment to you, you would be complaining about being personally attacked.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: Smokey

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with what I said, or trying to dispute it, or if you just don't understand passing windows. Anyhow, if the WR is running towards traffic (often times unaware), the WR definitely wants the ball behind them to slow them down so the impact is not as great. I'm just stating what is common sense though, for a third time.

As the "Soup Nazi" photo is concerned, it was Deputy Dog that tried to belittle it. He does not need the Marshall to run to his aid.

Originally Posted by: Smokey

Stop the bullshit, move on already.

Smokey
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#18

Zero, I don't count you as an expert even if you did play Pop Warner Football. A receiver's catch window aside, not many QB's will throw a ball to a receiver that in all probability will get cut in two for catching the ball, even if he has to slow down to catch it. "Common sense" ? You need to wake up and smell the empty beer cans.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: Smokey

I never said I was an expert, but I see now you're just being an ignorant asshole who isn't open to others opinions or experiences unless you shared them to the tee. I tried to inform and educate you a little bit on it to open your mind, but as I said, you're clearly just being an ignorant asshole about this. You're better than that Smokey, stop being a jerk.

Smokey
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#20

I can and do appreciate a well thought out, well written commentary. That said, throwing a football behind a receiver so that they must slow down to catch it just adds to the difficulty and lessens the chance of a successful pas completion. In addition, slowing down aids the defender in defending the play or tackling the receiver before they can gain additional yardage.

Throwing a pass to a window where only the receiver can catch it is what most QBs strive to do, but few possess the physical abilities of an Aaron Rodgers or a Drew Brees or a Ben Roethlisberger. A receiver like Odell Beckham Jr. that has exceptional skills can help a QB like Eli Manning when he puts too much or too little gas on the throw by extending the play.

The best receivers get separation on their coverage and do not slow down for them to catch up. Speed, while important, can often be trumped by agility and/or quickness. Getting a defender to cut to the wrong direction is something that a high quality receiver can do. Larry Fitzgerald is a prime example of an agile receiver. His defender never knows until the last millisecond what direction he will cut to. It is a special skill that not all receivers do well. Deceiving defenders as to the exact pass route keeps coaches up nights trying to match receivers/routes against another teams pass defense weaknesses. You see a team fail on several different passing plays, what you don't see is that they have have been setting a trap that they will spring at the proper time. The trap will use the same formation and appear to be a repeat of the one that failed earlier. The payoff comes when the defender is fooled and the play gains big yardage or even a TD.

All to often, younger people expect instant results, instant success, instant gratification. A QB has poor stats, but do you also see that his receivers could not get open for that QB to feel comfortable throwing it into coverage that tight. He holds on to the football too long and gets sacked too much, but do we realise that he is not willing to place the football where it can be turned over or get his receiver in trouble trying to fend of defenders who would gladly see him have to leave the game. In addition, the O-Line has to provide their QB protection from specialist that want to plant him in the ground 3 feet.

Most just see that the play failed and are too quick to blame the QB unfairly.

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