Browns Trade For Packers CB Damarious Randall· Page 4

sschind
Senior Member

7 years ago

This comment over on ESPN made me laugh:

The gum-chewing comment aside, do you agree that Kizer has more arm strength than Hundley? I didn't watch much on him last year, but I did see him whip a few balls pretty impressively far downfield, even if too many of them ended up in the wrong hands. But I don't want to read too much into that either: Peyton Manning threw something like 28 interceptions his rookie campaign, and he turned out all right.

Incidentally, how lazy in the gym do you have to be that after three years in which your full-time job is to do nothing but train, you still can't sling the ball reliably more than ten yards downfield?

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

There was another Green Bay QB named Brett who I seem to recall threw a few interceptions as well, and we did OK with him.

beast
Select Member

7 years ago

#32

do you agree that Kizer has more arm strength than Hundley?

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

If we're talking about pure arm strength with practice throwing into a net, then no, I don't believe Kizer has a stronger arm...

But when you get to the feild with actual players and Hundley can be hit, Hundley seems to have a couple of mental blocks which hold him back, including one that stops from pulling the trigger on passes down the field... so in that respect Kizer can throw the ball further, but I think it's more of a mental problem with Hundley vs an arm strength advantage by Kizer.

porky88
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#33

This has more to do with Randall's actions behind scenes than it does his on-field capabilities.

http://www.row12.com/

Porforis
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#34

I'm going to withhold judgement since I don't know about Kizer but my initial reaction is that we're short on cornerbacks. Might be another draft where the Packers select CB 1st and 2nd?

Originally Posted by: isocleas2

Half of our CB problem was our 1st and 2nd round picks needing to play extensively against #1 and #2 WRs due to injuries and lack of depth. Straight into the fire, kind of messes with the development. I'd rather not go that route again.

Smokey
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#35

I read a story that said that the Raiders might be interested in Hundley. Could mean another deal in the works.

Aside from Kevin King, GB needs to restock it's supply of CBs. Randalls departure is, IMO, just the first step in this process. Gutekunst killed two birds with one stone by trading him for a QB. I believe that he is cleaning the "CB' house and either Goodson or Hawkins or Pipkins or Waters will be the next to depart from GB. I'm cheering him on and hope that he can find some talented CBs that can cover something more than a cooking pot.

GB's Draft is going to be REAL interesting this year.

Dulak
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#36

Not sure I really understand this trade - so a decent corner for a crap QB ... ok ya I get that hundley sucks; I didnt like him before he took the field and every game he played since I havnt liked him.

So this is the best QB we can get for a possible backup? And we got to trade our previous #1 draft pick for him? (btw I didnt think he was worth a #1 draft pick but whatever).

I guess better then nothing; least like the dude said he dont have to see the gum chewing hundley ... thats if he unload hundley somewhere (cross fingers).

sschind
Senior Member

7 years ago

#37

Originally Posted by: Dulak

If you are just comparing players it may look like that but you have to dig a little deeper. If there were other issues with Randall that we don't know about it may make perfect sense. Does anyone think the Rams overpaid for Jason Peters? If he is a headcase who will cause distractions then maybe they did. Did we unload Randall for practically nothing? If we got rid of a headcase who was causing distractions maybe not.

Talent wise and roster wise I don't think that is the reason he is gone. I don't think he was great but as others have said, he was the best we had. IMO there has to be something else. Obviously he wasn't going to play a major role with the Packers past 2018 so Gute decided to get what he could for him.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

7 years ago

#38

Well, this proves that Ted Thompson is not in charge anymore.
We never would have seen a trade like this from him.
Whether it was a good or bad move, only time will tell.
But it sure seems like the Packers are trying something different for a change.

Dulak
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#39

Originally Posted by: sschind

ya I get that - I remember the whole thing last year with randall; just seems like a really wierd 'trade' - but maybe it will work out in the long run.

DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#40

Getting better draft positioning is always a good thing so I am totally on board with that.

Unfortunately, I really think d ran is a bit too dramatic for this team. I had warmed up to him as the season went on. Then after the season he said that the championship goes through green bay and I'm just like...take a step back man. He irks the heck out of me. I assume it gets tiring working with him.

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

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