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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Big deal man. 4th and 5th rounds? I mean yeah, nice to move up, but these aren't exactly blockbuster picks. This was essentially a player for player trade.

Which suggests to me they have drafted the heir apparent. If Mike is gone next year, don't be surprised if Aaron follows him.
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isocleas2
7 years ago
I'm going to withhold judgement since I don't know about Kizer but my initial reaction is that we're short on cornerbacks. Might be another draft where the Packers select CB 1st and 2nd?
DoddPower
7 years ago
Unless there's something we don't know about Randall, I don't like this move. Randall showed some nice potential at times. He could have success in the right defense surrounded by the right talent. I don't see Kizer as anything more than an average backup QB. Those are easier to find than talented CBs with decent speed.
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7 years ago
Never say never, of course -- Tom Brady was a sixth-round pick, after all -- but I think it's a stretch to anoint Kizer the heir apparent at this point. Kizer was a mid-second-round pick, the fourth quarterback taken in his class, compared to Rodgers, who was taken late in the first round and was the second quarterback taken. I think it's more likely that Green Bay is simply trying to shore up the backup position and improve their mid-round stock into the bargain. If Kizer turns out to be something special, great, but for now he is very, very raw.

I do wonder how he feels about being relegated to a backup role so soon after starting almost an entire season.
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Before last season, McCarthy said his back-up OL was the best he’s ever had. We all thought BS; but McCray, Murphy, Patrick and Spriggs was a helleva 2nd string OL. It’s hard to believe, but the fan is not privy to ALL the info.

I like it. Randall can be substantially replaced by a HEALTHY Devon House-type for 3-4M. And how much better is he than Rollins, Hawkins or Pipkins after they take their jump? And Nerd talked about Waters; there's a reason he's been kept around for 2 years. It’s obvious GB wasn’t going to pick-up Randall's 5th yr. I'd rather have Randell; but they'd have to dump one of those young CBs, who might be the next Tramon.

The move freed up .35M in cap; almost .6K if Hundley is cut. And it freed up the cap space that would have otherwise gone to a vet QB back-up.

Swapping our regular picks, we move up half a round in 4 and 5 [if we swapped our comp picks, we move up a whole round in each] and we netted the coveted 1st pick on day 3.

Those trashing Kizer, not sure if you realize that Kizer played for the BROWNS last year. What would Rodgers’ stats have been? I thought he played a nice game for a rookie against us.

In first year Goff, 0-7, QBR 18.9; Wentz 7-9 QBR 49.4; Bortles 3-10 QBR 26.7; Derek Carr had QBR of 40 and 41 his first 2 years; [Kizer QBR =26.7]. He will be a lot better in year 2 and w/ 15 starts he’s got more experience than Hundley.

One scary thing: if the Browns, who know him best, thought he was capable of a solid jump to yr 2, why’d they dump him? Well, they’re taking a QB at 1 or 4 [If they don’t, this is bad news for us] and they got Taylor as their vet. There is not enough practice time to develop 2 QBs, so Kizer was going into mothballs. If they can get a CB, who'll be pretty good if he pulls his head out of his arse, why not trade Kizer.

Anyone remember the last 2nd rnd QB GB traded for after having a dismal rookie season? Rumors abounded that GB had their eye on Kizer last year like Daddy Wolf had his eye on another QB a few years back.

I like it.
Bigbyfan
7 years ago
Apparently the Packers were close to cutting Randall last season. At least this way, they were able to get something for him.
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Kizer struggled as a rookie when forced to start as a rookie on a bad team... Packers rookies didn't always look great either when they were forced to play.

Randall has a ton of physical talent...the team must of felt that he wasn't worth the mental headaches...

Which brings me to what to do at Safety... can we afford to lose Burnett now? Also Randall and HaHa seemed close and some have compared HaHa to also being talented but a headache (though HaHa does generally seem like a team guy first where Randall may not of been).

So it might be interesting... if they had to pick one... Burnett or HaHa which would they pick... also do they choose to keep both?


Also the Packers need more CBs... it will be interesting to see where and how they get them.
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Kizer struggled as a rookie when forced to start as a rookie on a bad team... Packers rookies didn't always look great either when they were forced to play.

Randall has a ton of physical talent...the team must of felt that he wasn't worth the mental headaches...

Which brings me to what to do at Safety... can we afford to lose Burnett now? Also Randall and HaHa seemed close and some have compared HaHa to also being talented but a headache (though HaHa does generally seem like a team guy first where Randall may not of been).

So it might be interesting... if they had to pick one... Burnett or HaHa which would they pick... also do they choose to keep both?


Also the Packers need more CBs... it will be interesting to see where and how they get them.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Rollins is the new S. I mean let’s face it, he barely had CB speed before the injury. He never got a shot back there, because we had like 6 guys who could play that position. Now’s the time to see what he’s got.

HaHa had a bad year, long as he’s willing to get with the program, keep him. Dude could be elite.
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7 years ago
This comment over on ESPN made me laugh:

This is awesome. One of TT's biggest flaws was his refusal to move on from draft mistakes. Gutekunst appears ready to change that. The Randall/Rollins drafts were horrible. Randall is Terrell Buckley 2.0 - good athlete but too small and deathly afraid of contact. Rollins is just too slow to play CB, might stick as a S. Kizer has way more arm talent than Hundley and you don't have to watch that damn gum chewing. Getting Randall off the roster, getting Hundley some competition and moving up in both rounds is a win and the kind of deal Ted Thompson woulnd't make in a million years.

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The gum-chewing comment aside, do you agree that Kizer has more arm strength than Hundley? I didn't watch much of him last year, but I did see him whip a few balls pretty impressively far downfield, even if too many of them ended up in the wrong hands. But I don't want to read too much into that either: Peyton Manning threw something like 28 interceptions his rookie campaign, and he turned out all right.

Incidentally, how lazy in the gym do you have to be that after three years in which your full-time job is to do nothing but train, you still can't sling the ball reliably more than ten yards downfield?
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7 years ago

This comment over on ESPN made me laugh:



The gum-chewing comment aside, do you agree that Kizer has more arm strength than Hundley? I didn't watch much on him last year, but I did see him whip a few balls pretty impressively far downfield, even if too many of them ended up in the wrong hands. But I don't want to read too much into that either: Peyton Manning threw something like 28 interceptions his rookie campaign, and he turned out all right.

Incidentally, how lazy in the gym do you have to be that after three years in which your full-time job is to do nothing but train, you still can't sling the ball reliably more than ten yards downfield?

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There was another Green Bay QB named Brett who I seem to recall threw a few interceptions as well, and we did OK with him.

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do you agree that Kizer has more arm strength than Hundley?

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



If we're talking about pure arm strength with practice throwing into a net, then no, I don't believe Kizer has a stronger arm...

But when you get to the feild with actual players and Hundley can be hit, Hundley seems to have a couple of mental blocks which hold him back, including one that stops from pulling the trigger on passes down the field... so in that respect Kizer can throw the ball further, but I think it's more of a mental problem with Hundley vs an arm strength advantage by Kizer.

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This has more to do with Randall's actions behind scenes than it does his on-field capabilities.
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I'm going to withhold judgement since I don't know about Kizer but my initial reaction is that we're short on cornerbacks. Might be another draft where the Packers select CB 1st and 2nd?

Originally Posted by: isocleas2 



Half of our CB problem was our 1st and 2nd round picks needing to play extensively against #1 and #2 WRs due to injuries and lack of depth. Straight into the fire, kind of messes with the development. I'd rather not go that route again.
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I read a story that said that the Raiders might be interested in Hundley. Could mean another deal in the works.

Aside from Kevin King, GB needs to restock it's supply of CBs. Randalls departure is, IMO, just the first step in this process. Gutekunst killed two birds with one stone by trading him for a QB. I believe that he is cleaning the "CB' house and either Goodson or Hawkins or Pipkins or Waters will be the next to depart from GB. I'm cheering him on and hope that he can find some talented CBs that can cover something more than a cooking pot.

GB's Draft is going to be REAL interesting this year.

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Not sure I really understand this trade - so a decent corner for a crap QB ... ok ya I get that hundley sucks; I didnt like him before he took the field and every game he played since I havnt liked him.

So this is the best QB we can get for a possible backup? And we got to trade our previous #1 draft pick for him? (btw I didnt think he was worth a #1 draft pick but whatever).

I guess better then nothing; least like the dude said he dont have to see the gum chewing hundley ... thats if he unload hundley somewhere (cross fingers).

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Not sure I really understand this trade - so a decent corner for a crap QB ... ok ya I get that hundley sucks; I didnt like him before he took the field and every game he played since I havnt liked him.

So this is the best QB we can get for a possible backup? And we got to trade our previous #1 draft pick for him? (btw I didnt think he was worth a #1 draft pick but whatever).

I guess better then nothing; least like the dude said he dont have to see the gum chewing hundley ... thats if he unload hundley somewhere (cross fingers).

Originally Posted by: Dulak 



If you are just comparing players it may look like that but you have to dig a little deeper. If there were other issues with Randall that we don't know about it may make perfect sense. Does anyone think the Rams overpaid for Jason Peters? If he is a headcase who will cause distractions then maybe they did. Did we unload Randall for practically nothing? If we got rid of a headcase who was causing distractions maybe not.

Talent wise and roster wise I don't think that is the reason he is gone. I don't think he was great but as others have said, he was the best we had. IMO there has to be something else. Obviously he wasn't going to play a major role with the Packers past 2018 so Gute decided to get what he could for him.
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Well, this proves that Ted Thompson is not in charge anymore.
We never would have seen a trade like this from him.
Whether it was a good or bad move, only time will tell.
But it sure seems like the Packers are trying something different for a change.
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If you are just comparing players it may look like that but you have to dig a little deeper. If there were other issues with Randall that we don't know about it may make perfect sense. Does anyone think the Rams overpaid for Jason Peters? If he is a headcase who will cause distractions then maybe they did. Did we unload Randall for practically nothing? If we got rid of a headcase who was causing distractions maybe not.

Talent wise and roster wise I don't think that is the reason he is gone. I don't think he was great but as others have said, he was the best we had. IMO there has to be something else. Obviously he wasn't going to play a major role with the Packers past 2018 so Gute decided to get what he could for him.

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ya I get that - I remember the whole thing last year with randall; just seems like a really wierd 'trade' - but maybe it will work out in the long run.

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