Zero2Cool
7 years ago
One point he makes that stuck out. Imagine Aaron Rodgers with Jaguars defense. They have the money too.

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PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago
These can be interesting fantasies, but in reality it is just foolishness. Are the Packers just going to let Rodgers go, no so he wouldn't be able to get to the Jags until 2020. Where was the Jags defense the previous 3 seasons, I'm a points guy so they were 26th, 31st and 25th. No telling where they will be next year or in 3 years. Another thing, this year the Jags are paying 52% of their salary cap on the defensive side in comparison the Packers are paying 39%. What would their defense be like if they had to carry the 20Million salary of Rodgers. Then do they expect him to just hand off to Fournette the entire game? If not they better plan on spending some of that salary cap on better receiving weapons.

I've been of the idea that Next year is probably the best "window" for the packers to go "all in". and if Rodgers and Matthews and Cobb go all in also making their contracts more cap friendly we could easily open 15+ million to upgrade positions of need.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
nerdmann
7 years ago

These can be interesting fantasies, but in reality it is just foolishness. Are the Packers just going to let Rodgers go, no so he wouldn't be able to get to the Jags until 2020. Where was the Jags defense the previous 3 seasons, I'm a points guy so they were 26th, 31st and 25th. No telling where they will be next year or in 3 years. Another thing, this year the Jags are paying 52% of their salary cap on the defensive side in comparison the Packers are paying 39%. What would their defense be like if they had to carry the 20Million salary of Rodgers. Then do they expect him to just hand off to Fournette the entire game? If not they better plan on spending some of that salary cap on better receiving weapons.

I've been of the idea that Next year is probably the best "window" for the packers to go "all in". and if Rodgers and Matthews and Cobb go all in also making their contracts more cap friendly we could easily open 15+ million to upgrade positions of need.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



THey went "all in" this year. 🤣
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Porforis
7 years ago

These can be interesting fantasies, but in reality it is just foolishness. Are the Packers just going to let Rodgers go, no so he wouldn't be able to get to the Jags until 2020. Where was the Jags defense the previous 3 seasons, I'm a points guy so they were 26th, 31st and 25th. No telling where they will be next year or in 3 years. Another thing, this year the Jags are paying 52% of their salary cap on the defensive side in comparison the Packers are paying 39%. What would their defense be like if they had to carry the 20Million salary of Rodgers. Then do they expect him to just hand off to Fournette the entire game? If not they better plan on spending some of that salary cap on better receiving weapons.

I've been of the idea that Next year is probably the best "window" for the packers to go "all in". and if Rodgers and Matthews and Cobb go all in also making their contracts more cap friendly we could easily open 15+ million to upgrade positions of need.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



You go all in when you're 1-3 pieces away from a masterpiece. The defense needs about 3 pieces minimum, we need a TE after this year, and a WR with Jordy fading and continual problems with people getting open. Selling out for a win next year isn't going to get us dramatically closer to a super bowl than the team we have now - the defense has too many holes and the team doesn't have what it takes to consistently win against top-end teams unless Rodgers is playing great. And you need to be able to win postseason games when your quarterback plays only okay.
nerdmann
7 years ago

You go all in when you're 1-3 pieces away from a masterpiece. The defense needs about 3 pieces minimum, we need a TE after this year, and a WR with Jordy fading and continual problems with people getting open. Selling out for a win next year isn't going to get us dramatically closer to a super bowl than the team we have now - the defense has too many holes and the team doesn't have what it takes to consistently win against top-end teams unless Rodgers is playing great. And you need to be able to win postseason games when your quarterback plays only okay.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



It ain't over. Lotta football left.
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PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago

You go all in when you're 1-3 pieces away from a masterpiece. The defense needs about 3 pieces minimum, we need a TE after this year, and a WR with Jordy fading and continual problems with people getting open. Selling out for a win next year isn't going to get us dramatically closer to a super bowl than the team we have now - the defense has too many holes and the team doesn't have what it takes to consistently win against top-end teams unless Rodgers is playing great. And you need to be able to win postseason games when your quarterback plays only okay.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



If we keep saying we need to many pieces we will never go for it.

We need to create Pass rush and we need help at CB. Add a FA DE/DT that can pass rush and Top CB and we make the defense drastically better. If Rodgers, Cobb, Matthews, Nelson all work their contracts we have the ability to bring in some good FA, without mortgaging the future. Making our "All In" window, a 2-3 year opening.

If we wait another year or two, draft a few and try to develop, in the mean time other players will age and need to be replaced. The odds of the draft falling where the best player when we pick being at the positions where we need to improve the most isn't very good. Take Money and bring in GOOD FA at the positions we need so They can Draft the Best Player, not just the best player at a position of need. All we are not improving by just drafting and develop.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
uffda udfa
7 years ago
Uh oh... another Favre styled scenario on tap for the organization? Oh, you think we control his rights. Yes. However, he can make it very very uncomfortable for us. I hope he demands we blow it up, privately, if he's going to stay. I think it's time for something like that. This time it won't be about retirement, it'll be about organizational ineptness. 12 has taken some subtle shots at management over the years as he's tried remaining a touch classy.

I hope he rejects an extension if this regime is offering it.

Oh, sure...we can play tag with him. He can also decide to play like Aaron from 2015 and have all that bad body language. Could be headed for a major shockwave throughout our org. Curious if Cowherd's thought catches on? It likely won't here with our media as it is among the softest and most sycophantic I've ever seen but, perhaps, nationally, the voices will get louder and louder until a crescendo leading to...CHANGE!

It still floors me to hear those talk about how long it will take if we blow things up to get back. We could have an easy next year turnaround. The Saints turned their D around in one offseason. They got Lattimore...we got Kevin King. Yikes. Things change quickly in the NFL...just look at us. Once talked about as favorites in the NFC and entire NFL, and now we're a joke, an afterthought so much so that my posting on being flexed out of SNF showed itself on NFL.com. Rosenthal said NFL might want to get rid of us at Pittsburgh for a much better game. We have fallen...far.

Without Rodgers we see how bad things really are. Even with him, you see how much he's had to cover up for. Isn't it time for a regime that won't leave him having to cover up for as much as this one has left? Do you see it now? All those years of making the playoffs could've been so much more than that had we had better underpinning his greatness. Aaron overcame the weaknesses...sadly, the org should be using the rest of the roster to amplify Aaron not drag him down so he can only get us to the playoffs.

See it? See what we've been doing all these years saddling 12 with a burden so big that championships are almost impossible. Yet, he's so great he's been able to carry this crap show forward into the playoffs year after year while few ever noticed that it could be and should be so much better.

Change! It is the ONLY way.
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DoddPower
7 years ago

If we keep saying we need to many pieces we will never go for it.

We need to create Pass rush and we need help at CB. Add a FA DE/DT that can pass rush and Top CB and we make the defense drastically better. If Rodgers, Cobb, Matthews, Nelson all work their contracts we have the ability to bring in some good FA, without mortgaging the future. Making our "All In" window, a 2-3 year opening.

If we wait another year or two, draft a few and try to develop, in the mean time other players will age and need to be replaced. The odds of the draft falling where the best player when we pick being at the positions where we need to improve the most isn't very good. Take Money and bring in GOOD FA at the positions we need so They can Draft the Best Player, not just the best player at a position of need. All we are not improving by just drafting and develop.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



In general, draft and develop works fine IF YOU DRAFT VERY WELL. Just think if the Packers plucked a few more superstars the past several years instead of duds. This entire team is different. It's all about execution, and the Packers just haven't executed well enough in their philosophy.
PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago

In general, draft and develop works fine IF YOU DRAFT VERY WELL. Just think if the Packers plucked a few more superstars the past several years instead of duds. This entire team is different. It's all about execution, and the Packers just haven't executed well enough in their philosophy.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Only to a point. For Draft and Develop to work you really need to draft the best players available, and as I said, it is rare for the Best Available player and the positions the team needs to be the same. It was what we did when we Drafted Jordy and I remember how many people were complaining because we had Driver, Jennings and Jones at the time.

What needs to be done now is to continue to draft and develop but fill in with Good FA.


The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
beast
7 years ago

Yes Rodgers should leave, so we can start over from scratch like all the other NFC North teams have so we can have more non-playoffs season more often, because that's somehow good...?
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On a more serious note... what are they offering? 👅

Ten 1st round picks might go a long way 😝
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