Brett Hundley Challenge· Page 4

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

7 years ago

I challenge him to outperform and out-win Scott Tolzien. I'm not asking for a lot.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

THAT IS GREATNESS! Just greatness, Z! This is what our traded up for backup QB darling has given us! After living through Scott Tolzien, the org's new and improved plan leads to a backup not quite as good as Scott Tolzien? LOL. The bar is that freaking low and we still can't get over it? Honestly, MM, is supposedly an offensive mastermind and QB whisperer. Just stop with ever saying that again. He was coordinating the 32nd ranked offense when we hired him for some bizarre reason.

This org can NOT learn from it's mistakes and doesn't have the wherewithal to fix them. See: Colin Kaepernick...See: Our defense, especially the secondary...See: Our backup QB plan.

I'm really starting to wonder what kind of career Aaron Rodgers would be having had he not been stuck in Green Bay under this regime. Had he gone elsewhere there probably is no debate about Brady being better. We have wasted this guy almost as bad as Detroit wasted Barry Sanders and Minnesota wasted Adrian Peterson. When you get special players, you better take advantage. Just zero urgency in Green Bay. None. It's all laid back fat dumb and happy. Does anyone in our org get it? Anyone? I don't think they do...so, bring someone outside who can actually see the forest for the trees.

Thank you, Z. A very needed not so subtle reminder of the absolute failure of our backup QB plan.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#32

You have assumed that a backup QB can't be someone who has played in the NFL. No reason to have a draftee be your backup plan.

If you're going to do it the way we did that draftee better be prepared.

Here's a fun fact...

I blame MM, also. QB guru? Sure. I said before if Hundley failed this is an organizational failure. Not just MM. Total organization. Hundley was the orgs answer after living through Seneca and Scott. 12 still bailed them out. Not this year.

Lions game was critical to playoff hopes. Hasn't been focused on here but that loss was crippling to post season hopes. Having a guy like Hundley was the orgs answer. It was the wrong answer.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

A veteran who hasn't been in the system will also need OJT.

Maybe if we could have talked Romo into coming to GB in preseason for league minimum to be Rodgers backup instead of announcing. He would have been better prepared. But that wasn't an option. What feasible option was there really?

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#33

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

This kind of thinking is always thrown out in defense of the Packers org. I've seen it time and time again.

What other option was there? Countless. Here's the real rub... It is on this org for believing this was an option. It knew it had failed us when 12 broke his collarbone the last time. It saw with it's own eyes just how bad it was. It's solution was Hundley. It's been Hundley for the 3rd year now. It has been avoiding the scrutiny of it's bad investment until everyone had to see it. Not unlike how Mike McCarthy has been hidden by 12 all these years and same for Ted.

Why would an org who thinks they're SB contenders persist with Hundley? Here's a conspiracy theory for you. This org, internally, knows how bare the cupboard actually is and perhaps they feel NOBODY could get this motley crew into the playoffs save for 12, so why not just draft a 5th rounder and call it good? It makes as much sense as anything.

Someone somewhere who wanted to win should've said...Hey, what would happen if this guy Hundley actually had to play? It's their job to know that it would be worse than Scott freaking Tolzien and fix it. This is an utter organizational failure.

So, why did nobody realize how bad off we would be if Rodgers got hurt again? Who is responsible for that? Anyone? This is not a mystery. This is Ted Thompson and MM's fault. 100%. I would still fault them if this hadn't happen before, but the fact that it has happened before, and this is what they did to fix it? It's beyond revolting and indicting and heads should roll. This org cost us this season by not being properly prepared to endure another Rodgers injury. What do you want to bet that if 12 stays and we get a new regime they won't make the same mistake for a 3rd time? What are the odds if this regime stays that it would screw it up for a 3rd time? I offer Dom Capers, the offseason secondary "fix" and the prosecution rests. Ugh.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#34

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

You just wrong 4 paragraphs to basically say, you don't have a clue.

Should we have pushed to get Romo at the salary he was going to demand, hell no. Should we have pushed for Kaep, not a chance, he wasn't that good and didn't know the offense. Maybe we should have pulled Flynn out of retirement.

Man up and give your list of veteran FA's QBs we should have signed.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#35

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

The options are ENDLESS. I don't know? LOL. It is not my job to know. We all can see that this was the WRONG move, but let's move this to YOU DON'T KNOW! ???? That's a classic move on this forum. Classic.

PFWT...Do you KNOW that Hundley was the wrong move?

Are you the GM of this team and is it your responsibility to fix the backup QB position?

Was there any other option besides Hundley? (You wanted to bail on this fiasco by saying what other options were there?)

Vikes signed Case Keenum. He was vet who has done a fine job for them. There's a guy. Could've gone out and got Josh McCown. Love that guy. Could've drafted and developed someone other than Hundley. Could've kept Taysom Hill. The options are ENDLESS. You want to put it into this realm of...what other options were there? That's insane! Just insane. You can't believe that? Options were everywhere and the one we chose was WRONG. Don't deflect. Just say it was wrong. It's pretty simple unless you have an agenda not to do so?

I couldn't say it was wrong to draft 12 because he's the GOAT. I can say Hundley was wrong...he's not even producing as much as Scott Tolzien. These are easy things to see and react to but in true Packers fan fashion, it has to be moved into the realm of the unknowable so there's just a free pass for everyone and things can just go on business as usual. NO!

Will you actually answer? Will you avoid like so many? Let's debate this like adults. Answer the questions and stop putting this out in some realm that is being conjured by yourself.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#36

Yes the options are endless, they could have signed you.

When you have a top QB, and are paying 20 million, you have to deal with the backup situation different then when you don't have a good QB. Very few teams with elite QBs are going to win when they lose the elite QB. We managed with Flynn because of the strength of the receiving group. The receiving group is not as strong today.

The biggest limiting Hundley right now is McCarthy's play calling.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

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packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed

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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.

bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?

bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network

beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th

beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.

bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno

beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?

packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans

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beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.

packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th

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beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.

beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.

beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games

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beast (23-Dec) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I posted it in that Packers and 1 seed thread

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I literally just said it.

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