Can't tell if a joke.

Hundley throws one of the prettiest balls. It's too bad he's not accurate with them. His pocket presence is nil. He was close to connecting with 17 on a long one.

Z is right. Comparing this guy...any guy to 12 in his prime is pretty stupid. I'm comparing him to Seneca and Scott and he's about that level with more ability to run.

Hundley should be in a fast break offense. He needs that to create tempo as there is none when huddling. He can't play set it up and go ball. Not smart enough or experienced enough to succeed in a "half court" game. Sadly, we can't play that way with our defense. Time of possession would make things even worse for our 11 man sieve.

I honestly think it's a coin flip as to whether he improves enough to beat Cleveland next month.

All the negatives Gruden alluded to from his college days have been in plain sight. We were the only team to jump on Brett in the draft. Everyone else saw how flawed he was causing him to "drop". We seem to love drafting all these dropping players. 12 is only one who really worked out.

The worst thing is Hundley has killed his trade value. No team is going to give up anything for this guy outside of maybe a 7th.

Bears play good D. Hundley's in for a rough one. Good news is Bears have no offense so maybe everyone will be placated and off the defense next Sunday.

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Yup. That being said, he ended up moving the ball better. Hundley's never going to be a Rodgers but it's possible he'll be serviceable as a backup. But yeah, they need to just let 'im rip and he needs to work on the happy feet. Unfortunately that's been a problem for him for years.

He might be serviceable as a backup with the 85 Bears D behind him but he won't be with us.

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I agree, but the point was that lots of people are complaining about MM not calling any long routes, which turned out to be false. MM appears to have long routes called for, but the QB is playing the short ball, just like (but opposite) of Rodgers playing the long ball.

Evan trained QBs can't see everything, but where their focus is, sometimes means what they'll miss... like Rodgers misses wide open short routes because he's looking long... Hundley is missing the open long routes because he's looking short/thinking about running.

But there does seem to be long routes there, just the QB we're watching, currently has the opposite mentality from the QB we're used to watching... and that might be what is driving some of us nuts.

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I don't complain that Mike isn't calling deep routes, it is what he is calling that is the problem IMO. Hundley is a young QB, so he is going to spooked from the pocket faster so the opportunity for deep routes are going to be fewer, so the plays called need to be better designed for options in the lesser time Hundley is going to be spending in the pocket compared to an experienced Veteran.

When they went hurry up, all of a sudden Hundley is connecting on crossing routes. Went back to huddle and McCarthy called plays and that success disappears until they want back to the no-huddle hurry up.

McCarthy's typical play calling utilizes behind the LOS, sidelines and deep crossing. He doesn't attack from inside the numbers from the LOS to 10-15 yards down field. Defenses have figured that out and cover accordingly.

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