nerdmann
7 years ago

Because until we've seen at least four games, no one can say we are good or bad without looking foolish. We have no idea what's going to happen. None. It's easier to be negative because there's 31 chances of being right. It takes balls to say you're gonna be the one champion at the end.

We wait. Watch. Evaluate what you see. Preseason is bullcoocoo

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



It will stop when we no longer have to pay our QB $20+ per season.
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isocleas2
7 years ago
I think House will be an average outside cb, and I think Rollins/Randall will be somewhere between good-great at playing slot CB. So one of the two or King needs to step up as the 2nd outside CB and they're set.
steveishere
7 years ago

For the most part it doesn't matter, the success of our secondary is dependent on the defensive front being able to get more consistent pressure than it did last year.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



For the most part I guess I agree but to me this defense has looked a lot more dangerous when they've been able to keep a Safety free on the back end to cause chaos. THe DBs were so bad last year that they needed both safeties to help the CBs and they couldn't do much else. I think if we get at least 1 CB who we can trust in man coverage consistnetly this year it'll have a huge positive impact.
PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago

For the most part I guess I agree but to me this defense has looked a lot more dangerous when they've been able to keep a Safety free on the back end to cause chaos. THe DBs were so bad last year that they needed both safeties to help the CBs and they couldn't do much else. I think if we get at least 1 CB who we can trust in man coverage consistnetly this year it'll have a huge positive impact.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Considering we were starting our 4th and 5th CB of the depth as our #1 and #2 for more than a few games, and had some pretty bad injuries I can see them being not so good.

What always concerns me with our defense is the crossing routes on 3rd downs. We get beat so often either in front of the LBers or behind them. I don't know what it is but that is where I'm hoping the defense improves. If Jones can play that LB/SS on those passing downs it should help give us some greater coverage on those type plays.
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steveishere
7 years ago

Considering we were starting our 4th and 5th CB of the depth as our #1 and #2 for more than a few games, and had some pretty bad injuries I can see them being not so good.

What always concerns me with our defense is the crossing routes on 3rd downs. We get beat so often either in front of the LBers or behind them. I don't know what it is but that is where I'm hoping the defense improves. If Jones can play that LB/SS on those passing downs it should help give us some greater coverage on those type plays.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Or at least have someone make the tackle
DoddPower
7 years ago

Because until we've seen at least four games, no one can say we are good or bad without looking foolish. We have no idea what's going to happen. None. It's easier to be negative because there's 31 chances of being right. It takes balls to say you're gonna be the one champion at the end.

We wait. Watch. Evaluate what you see. Preseason is bullcoocoo

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I don't think it's foolish. The Packers defense has been consistently average-to-bad for years now. For example, I don't have much confidence that the Packers will defend the middle of the field on defense because they haven't in years. There's a CHANCE that will improve with the young safeties, but it's more likely that it will continue to be an issue. Things like that are likely a schematic and coaching issue, so until we see the Packers consistently defending the middle of the field, it's a reasonable assumption to expect similar results. The burden of proofs is on the Packers, because recent history is not on their side. Different players, similar results. The common denominators remain the same with the scheme and coaching staff.

I'm confident the Packers will make the playoffs and I'll continue to have little to no faith in the Packers defense stepping up when it matters most against the QBs that actually matter. I have no problem standing by that statement. If the Packers win the Super Bowl, it will largely be because of the offense. Hopefully the defense can at least be decent, because it's unlikely it will be much more, especially once the injuries start.
PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago

I don't think it's foolish. The Packers defense has been consistently average-to-bad for years now. For example, I don't have much confidence that the Packers will defend the middle of the field on defense because they haven't in years.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



this is my biggest issue with our coaching staff. Seems like every team comes in and is able to exploit that part of the field. Mike as the head coach should should sit down with dom and say, this is a weakness of the defense and this is how I would take advantage of it. And between the two of them adjust so it isn't a hole all the time.

Or else they want to leave it open more, perhaps they are doing it to try and generate more interceptions with passes over the middle. If that is the case, its not working.
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nerdmann
7 years ago

I don't think it's foolish. The Packers defense has been consistently average-to-bad for years now. For example, I don't have much confidence that the Packers will defend the middle of the field on defense because they haven't in years. There's a CHANCE that will improve with the young safeties, but it's more likely that it will continue to be an issue. Things like that are likely a schematic and coaching issue, so until we see the Packers consistently defending the middle of the field, it's a reasonable assumption to expect similar results. The burden of proofs is on the Packers, because recent history is not on their side. Different players, similar results. The common denominators remain the same with the scheme and coaching staff.

I'm confident the Packers will make the playoffs and I'll continue to have little to no faith in the Packers defense stepping up when it matters most against the QBs that actually matter. I have no problem standing by that statement. If the Packers win the Super Bowl, it will largely be because of the offense. Hopefully the defense can at least be decent, because it's unlikely it will be much more, especially once the injuries start.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



They've got some guys who can run now. They've improved speed on the defense overall, but they've also got Burnett, Bryce and Jones in there. Thomas and Fackrell can also cover.
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steveishere
7 years ago

this is my biggest issue with our coaching staff. Seems like every team comes in and is able to exploit that part of the field. Mike as the head coach should should sit down with dom and say, this is a weakness of the defense and this is how I would take advantage of it. And between the two of them adjust so it isn't a hole all the time.

Or else they want to leave it open more, perhaps they are doing it to try and generate more interceptions with passes over the middle. If that is the case, its not working.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Something I hate that goes along with what you are saying is when we bring a blitz of some sort but the CB are playing like 6-8ish yards off the WR so if the QB saw the blitz he's got an easy completion without even giving the rush a chance. Also the amount of times we play nickel or dime against heavy formations and get gashed in the run against teams with a good running game.
uffda udfa
7 years ago

Something I hate that goes along with what you are saying is when we bring a blitz of some sort but the CB are playing like 6-8ish yards off the WR so if the QB saw the blitz he's got an easy completion without even giving the rush a chance. Also the amount of times we play nickel or dime against heavy formations and get gashed in the run against teams with a good running game.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



If we have one of the great defensive minds in football, and you look at the things shared here, you'd have to conclude these things are happening to accommodate a lack of talent on defense. What other reason could there possibly be?


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