Barfarn
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7 years ago
Randall day to day; Dorleant no serious damage. Really, or is this McCarthy speak for "IR soon"?

GB has a couple of decent options at CB:

1. Hawkins was inactive in Detroit.
2. Robertson Daniel has some knowledge of the system and can be signed off Balt practice squad
3. Herb “Muddy” Waters

I have not seen or read anything that indicates Waters is anything but a UDFA that will never be. But, here some thoughts that should intrigue:

He’s the progeny of Shields and Gunter as a Miami UDFA CB, so his “bloodline” looks solid. When I hear things like don’t draft a position from a certain college because they have failed in NFL, I think this is silly. However, these things can become self-fulfilling. Everyone in the CB room and practice field speaks fondly about the Shields to Gunter to Waters thing. Because of it, Shields and coaches give Waters a little more attention, Waters feels more welcomed than if he came from South Carolina Tech. Suddenly all this adds up to Waters feeling more confidence and feeling that what he does in practice every day will lead to becoming a viable NFL CB; this heightens his attention to detail. He has the talent, a lot of guys do, it’s the mental part that stops most guys from making it and this Miami thing gives Waters has a lick-up on the mental part.

Waters converted mid September and no doubt since he’s gotten some decent reps with a mash unit of CBs missing reps in practice. This means Whitt has seen enough to know if Waters doesn’t have “IT.”

Another sign is Geronimo’s success and GB is still signing Goodley [He’s 25] and McCaffery; when a simple look at the numbers and injuries [Shields may be done, Goodson is a FA] predicts GB should be bringing in CBs. This is a strong sign that Whitt believes Waters has a chance. Could his chance come this week?
nerdmann
7 years ago

Randall day to day; Dorleant no serious damage. Really, or is this McCarthy speak for "IR soon"?

GB has a couple of decent options at CB:

1. Hawkins was inactive in Detroit.
2. Robertson Daniel has some knowledge of the system and can be signed off Balt practice squad
3. Herb “Muddy” Waters

I have not seen or read anything that indicates Waters is anything but a UDFA that will never be. But, here some thoughts that should intrigue:

He’s the progeny of Shields and Gunter as a Miami UDFA CB, so his “bloodline” looks solid. When I hear things like don’t draft a position from a certain college because they have failed in NFL, I think this is silly. However, these things can become self-fulfilling. Everyone in the CB room and practice field speaks fondly about the Shields to Gunter to Waters thing. Because of it, Shields and coaches give Waters a little more attention, Waters feels more welcomed than if he came from South Carolina Tech. Suddenly all this adds up to Waters feeling more confidence and feeling that what he does in practice every day will lead to becoming a viable NFL CB; this heightens his attention to detail. He has the talent, a lot of guys do, it’s the mental part that stops most guys from making it and this Miami thing gives Waters has a lick-up on the mental part.

Waters converted mid September and no doubt since he’s gotten some decent reps with a mash unit of CBs missing reps in practice. This means Whitt has seen enough to know if Waters doesn’t have “IT.”

Another sign is Geronimo’s success and GB is still signing Goodley [He’s 25] and McCaffery; when a simple look at the numbers and injuries [Shields may be done, Goodson is a FA] predicts GB should be bringing in CBs. This is a strong sign that Whitt believes Waters has a chance. Could his chance come this week?

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



I liked Dorleant, but I also liked Robertson Daniel. He knows the system, or at least has been in it. Do any of these guys really know this system? Sometimes I wonder.

Herb Waters I liked too, it's just a question of if he's ready.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
beast
7 years ago
I still think the Packers should have brought in another CB to the practice squad a long time ago.... if for no other reason than to take practice reps, learn the system and possibly be ready to be signed incase some more of the CB went to IR.
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PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago
I have my cleats dusted off ready to go.

OBJ wants nothing to do facing a 6' 255'lb CB with 8 second 40.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
DarkaneRules
7 years ago
We'll see after Wednesday how things are going, but I'm sure we can expect Hawkins to be active for this one but I cannot imagine them trusting him to cover OBJ. It will be a group effort, for sure.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
luigis
7 years ago
I like Hawkins but he is in the doghouse, probably on non-football related matters because he can play CB.

I like a rotation with Gunter, Hyde, Brice, HaHa and Evans....

Now more seriously: if we get to Eli in less than 0.3 seconds then nobody will be open and if we don't then Eli will hesitate to choose an open receiver and then we won't get to him yet but he will not know what to do, he will think which WR is more open than the others,eventually he will be sacked by Morgan Burnett but nothing matters because Datone Jones jumped offside.
Luis
nerdmann
7 years ago

I like Hawkins but he is in the doghouse, probably on non-football related matters because he can play CB.

I like a rotation with Gunter, Hyde, Brice, HaHa and Evans....

Now more seriously: if we get to Eli in less than 0.3 seconds then nobody will be open and if we don't then Eli will hesitate to choose an open receiver and then we won't get to him yet but he will not know what to do, he will think which WR is more open than the others,eventually he will be sacked by Morgan Burnett but nothing matters because Datone Jones jumped offside.

Originally Posted by: luigis 



Stafford is playing better than the current "Bad Eli."

I think we can get this game. This team always surprises in these situations.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
luigis
7 years ago

Stafford is playing better than the current "Bad Eli."
I think we can get this game. This team always surprises in these situations.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Stafford has guts but Eli is technically far ahead. Stafford is very erratic, he will often miss on open receivers and sometimes throw an impossible pass. Manning is more methodical, less explosive but more accurate. If you ask me I think Manning is one of the worst fits for our secondary because he will systematically hit open guys.



Luis
mi_keys
7 years ago

Stafford has guts but Eli is technically far ahead. Stafford is very erratic, he will often miss on open receivers and sometimes throw an impossible pass. Manning is more methodical, less explosive but more accurate. If you ask me I think Manning is one of the worst fits for our secondary because he will systematically hit open guys.


Originally Posted by: luigis 



Eli has a career completion percentage below 60 and will probably end up somewhere in the top 5-10 all time in interceptions. Accurate and methodical aren't the first words that come to mind when I think of Eli.
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steveishere
7 years ago

Eli has a career completion percentage below 60 and will probably end up somewhere in the top 5-10 all time in intercepeptions. Accurate and methodical aren't the first words that come to mind when I think of Eli.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



Yeah, Eli is really hot or cold. If he's on his game he can throw it all over the field regardless of pressure and drop impossible to defend passes but he's often out there throwing bad passes to the wrong team or just looking lost like he did when we played them earlier. His playoff game against SF in I think 2011 is one of my favorite games from a QB i've ever seen. He was getting obliterated by their defense but it never phased him. If we get that Eli then our defense is in trouble and Rodgers needs to kill it but more often bad Eli shows up so we'll see.
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