nerdmann
8 years ago

Whether it's due to lack of talent, failure to achieve potential, poor coaching, or adversity (injuries) is ultimately beside the point. Sometimes you have to be willing to admit you just suck. Otherwise you'll put off the hard decisions required to restore your organization to competitiveness.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



To me, the diagnosis is part of making the hard decisions.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Nonstopdrivel
8 years ago
True, but if the diagnosis is that the personnel are simply underperforming and in need of another chance, there is not going to be any incentive to move on from those personnel. They'll be brought back next year for another go-around. Maybe that's the right decision, but I'm getting skeptical.

I tend to lean toward the "Hire slow, fire fast" philosophy of personnel management.
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nerdmann
8 years ago

True, but if the diagnosis is that the personnel are simply underperforming and in need of another chance, there is not going to be any incentive to move on from those personnel. They'll be brought back next year for another chance. Maybe that's the right decision, but I'm getting skeptical.

I tend to lean toward the "Hire slow, fire fast" philosophy of personnel management.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



You watch the Eagles today?

Seems like they're getting the most out of their players, maximizing their potential. Not sure Mike has ever done that.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Nonstopdrivel
8 years ago
I live about 10 miles from Lincoln Financial Field. 😁

I'm tempted to see if there are any tickets available for next week's game, but I am not sure I can justify the outlay in cash right now, especially since Green Bay is almost certainly going to lose.
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steveishere
8 years ago
We can't run the ball effectively. Ty Montgomery averaging over 5ypc on the season plays 28 snaps with like 4 carries. But Mike will get up there and talk about how "we want to run the ball a little more". Don Barclay top back up gets destroyed and flagged repeatedly and only gets pulled when he has an injury. There is no accountability or chance to earn more snaps on this offense outside of injury. Whatever Mikes depth chart looks like post training camp is how it stays regardless of people stepping up or screwing up.
DarkaneRules
8 years ago
This team is crap.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
Zero2Cool
8 years ago

When do Packers fans admit to overvaluing the talent on this team?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 


Let's keep in mind that it was not the fans who had the Packers favored to win every game before the season started. And let's also not forget the numerous NFL "experts" who had the Packers in the Super Bowl. Bottom line here is this isn't some "packers fans" thing as you obtusely direct it, but this the Packers UNDER PERFORMING in EVERYONE'S expectations.


http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/123395/green-bays-packers-are-now-favored-to-win-every-game 

Before Bridgewater's injury, the Packers were the FPI favorites in 15 of their 16 scheduled games. The lone exception was in Week 2, when the Packers travel to Minnesota. That game has now shifted in favor of the Packers, making them the favorite in all 16 games entering the season.







When you are picking perennially in the 20's of every draft, your talent level will go down over time. Which is why you need a splash free agency signing occasionally.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 


Step into those "shark infested waters"???? * gasp * How dare you think such horrific thoughts!!! (btw, I agree)


Now, on to the coaching staff - what a fucking mess is about all I can say. If you shitcan Capers, do you scrap the 3-4? Or keep Capers and give him the linebackers he needs.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 


Good question. The defensive coaching staff has proven they cannot develop the Linebackers drafted.


The difference between players succeeding and failing is the coaching and developing. And here's the key factor ... UTILIZING and IDENTIFYING the players talent on an individual basis and maximizing that in your scheme. The Packers do not do this. They find square pegs for their round holes and shove, shove, slam and get players doing things they are not able to do.




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nerdmann
8 years ago

Let's keep in mind that it was not the fans who had the Packers favored to win every game before the season started. And let's also not forget the numerous NFL "experts" who had the Packers in the Super Bowl. Bottom line here is this isn't some "packers fans" thing as you obtusely direct it, but this the Packers UNDER PERFORMING in EVERYONE'S expectations.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I would go so far as to say this WAS an objectively good team. It's not a matter of opinion, people who are not homers or fans agreed, we were favorites.

A huge factor is this training staff. They couldn't keep a player healthy if they were wrapped in bubble wrap. But it's not JUST that either. Aaron's healthy. But he's not right.
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8 years ago

Sometimes you have to be willing to admit you just suck.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


I do not. I'm male.


(Hi to Rourke and the Kats, btw.)


And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Barfarn
8 years ago

We can't run the ball effectively. Ty Montgomery averaging over 5ypc on the season plays 28 snaps with like 4 carries. But Mike will get up there and talk about how "we want to run the ball a little more". Don Barclay top back up gets destroyed and flagged repeatedly and only gets pulled when he has an injury. There is no accountability or chance to earn more snaps on this offense outside of injury. Whatever Mikes depth chart looks like post training camp is how it stays regardless of people stepping up or screwing up.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



You have lost your usual objectivity:

This is 2 weeks in a row you railed about Monty's snaps, last week you accused McCarthy of playing favorites. I guess you missed the memo; the med staff has Monty on a pitch count due to SCT [this is one of the possibilities suggested last week to you].

On Barclay. I'm not nearly as brilliant as Mike, but here's my thinking during camp and early season.

My BU swing tackle is a rookie!!!!!!!!!!! A ROOKIE!!!!! And I have 2 stating tackles that have had their share of injuries. Inside I have a BU veteran guard [Barclay] who should be serviceable 2 years removed from injury and Linsley coming back week 6. Given this every damn rep Spriggs gets is at Tackle...EVERY ONE! Until maybe around week 10 or 11, after showing more proficiency at Tackle and then we can get him a few reps at G.

I'll bet with Lang and JCT out, Spriggs this week took his first few snaps at G because he was backing up 4 OL positions v. Wash. Ya think Spriggs would have done better than Barclay against Baker? YOU ARE JUST WRONG! This week Spriggs should get a ton more reps at G and Murphy will be backing up 5 positions unless, as I suspect, they call up Patrick or Flores to play inside for Goodson's spot on 53. Then Murphy's reps can be focused at Tackle.
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