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Cheesey
16 years ago

I'm not going to complain about a call like this when we sucked as bad as we did.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:



So true.

I stepped away from the game for a few of minutes with the score 10-21, came back and saw we were leading 24-21.... I was ready to slap myself silly to make sure I wasn't dreaming.

"IronMan" wrote:


You're already silly......no need to slap yourself.
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Formo
16 years ago

Actually, it's been reported several times it was a bad call and should not have been flagged. As has been said many times, if the ball was caught it would have been a legal pass, but since it was not caught it was not?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Of course it wouldn't have been called.. Because it wouldn't have been an intentional grounding call.. which is what the REAL penalty is.

The problem is.. Like I said before.. There is not a single WR, now or past, that would have been able to catch that 'pass'. None. Which would deem said 'pass' as one with no realistic chance of being caught. Which would rule as... Yup. You guessed it.

Intentional grounding.
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Formo
16 years ago

It was B.S. period.
Rodgers threw the ball underhand in the area of a receiver.
Thats ALL he had to do in that situation.
Thats NOT an illegal pass OR intentional grounding.
The refs don't even know the rules they are supposed to be inforcing.

"Cheesey" wrote:



Actually the rule for intentional grounding says ball has to land AT or beyond los..

the ball landed at the 8.5 yard line los was the 10

"Formo" wrote:


Not if there is a receiver in the area, which there was.

"Cheesey" wrote:



Just because he's out of pocket, doesn't disqualify the intentional grounding call. Because he was out of the pocket (which could be argued either way), the other prerequisite is the ball has to land at or BEYOND the line of scrimmage, regardless of a receiver having a REALISTIC CHANCE of catching the ball. And, sorry, no receiver, now or ever, would have had any sort of chance of catching that ball. Because the ball came up short of the line of scrimmage, the intentional grounding call is good.

Also, to look at it realistically, I think it's safe to say that Rodgers wasn't attempting any sort of pass. He was simply just trying to get rid of it to avoid a sack/safety. Isn't that, by definition, an 'intentional grounding'?

The call is good. The way they announced it was bad.

"longtimefan" wrote:


Then any pass that falls incomplete that doesn't pass the line of scrimmage should be flagged, right?
If a player is in the area, it's not grounding. Thats the rule. There WAS a player in the area. THEY make up the damn rules and don't even know how to enforce them. Had there NOT been a receiver there, i'd agree with the intentional grounding. But he WAS there. Thats makes a HUGE difference.

"Cheesey" wrote:



http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/intentionalgrounding 
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dfosterf
16 years ago
OK then, PLAN B EXCUSE:

This just posted on PFT:
Peterson should have been penalized near end of game 

Scroll down to it. Watch the video. This WOULD have changed the game. I shall tag this as excuse 2B :icon_smile:

Posted by Mike Florio on November 11, 2008, 5:17 p.m.

"Apart from the well-documented confusion regarding the illegal forward pass call that gave the Vikings two extra points in a game they won by one, readers continue to raise with us the contention that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson removed his helmet after scoring the decisive touchdown with 2:22 to play, and that the Vikings should have drawn a 15-yard penalty.

So, in an effort to get them to leave us alone fulfill our mission of embracing the issues that PFT Planets wants us to tackle, we decided to give the matter a look-see.

And theyre right.

The rule is clear; per Rule 12, Section 3, Article 1(h), the removal of a helmet during or after the play except when in the bench area constitutes unsportsmanlike conduct.

Even more clear is the fact that Peterson took his helmet off (or, perhaps more accurately given the thing that Peterson was wearing on his head, took it out) promptly after scoring. Heres the video forward to 2:35.





Thus, the Vikings should have been kicking off from their own 15, which would have changed the entire dynamic for the Packers potential game-winning drive.

Bottom line? Minnesotas 28-27 win carries almost as much tarnish as Denvers Week Two win over San Diego."


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Here is a shorter and crappier version of what Florio put up. If you want to see the good one, click on the link above.

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Cheesey
16 years ago
I guess rules arn't enforced all the way around fairly.
I guess AP gets the "star" treatment already, and isn't held by the nasty ol' rulebook.
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dfosterf
16 years ago

I guess rules arn't enforced all the way around fairly.
I guess AP gets the "star" treatment already, and isn't held by the nasty ol' rulebook.

"Cheesey" wrote:



Cheese, as our (for now) "unofficial" elected official, why don't you you take a moment to act as our "counter-parlimentarian" with Formo? HE's the one whippin' out rule-books! (SEE HIS LAST POST IN THIS THREAD :icon_smile: )
Zero2Cool
16 years ago
Oh please, Adrian removed his helmet twice on the field that should have been flagged. Still wouldn't have made a difference.

Adrian Peterson had our number, period. Nothing was going to change that, no excuse, no flag, no nothing. Maybe a broken leg, that's it.

Get over it already. (says the guy who's still pissed about the Titans loss)
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Packnic
16 years ago
Both of those bogus made and unmade calls hurt us.


but its not gonna change anything at all. we still lost. they won one game out of the last 6... i say let em have this one. we don't want to make our domination too obvious.
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Packnic
16 years ago

Oh please, Adrian removed his helmet twice on the field that should have been flagged. Still wouldn't have made a difference.

Adrian Peterson had our number, period. Nothing was going to change that, no excuse, no flag, no nothing. Maybe a broken leg, that's it.

Get over it already. (says the guy who's still pissed about the Titans loss)

"Zero2Cool" wrote:




so you don't think them kicking from their own 15 for our 2 minute drill would have made a difference?
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dfosterf
16 years ago
If we had scored a touchdown, gotten ahead, but called for a helmet coming off with a little over 2 minutes to go, kicked from the 15, lost the game to a field goal... Someone would be mad. Mad at our player. Mad at our coaches. It didn't happen, to us or them. I'll go back to the golf analogy. There is a fine line between hero and goat. I don't much give a damn about the "no call". They cleaned our clocks, period. This board would be whistling a little bit different tune about our players, coaches and penalties had they made that call and a different outcome ensued...I'm just sayin' ...
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