Do we appreciate the Packers?

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

8 years ago

The 2015 Packers with a depleted and dinged WR group of James Jones (hamstring), Jared Abberderris (rib) and Jeff Janis pushed a team everyone was calling the most complete team at the time into overtime.

The 2014 Packers lost the NFC Championship after a series of small miracles and a lack of mental fortitude by the coaching staff.

The 2013 Packers lost by just 3 points to the San Francisco 49ers.

While I understand simply being one of six teams in the conference to enter the playoffs is not enough for us, nor should it be. I question why some cannot appreciate that the last few years the Packers had a team that could have went to the Super Bowl. Did we not learn anything during the 2010 season about a team needs to have some bounces go their way? Do we not understand that winning the Super Bowl is so exciting, exhilarating and awesome because it is so damn difficult to do?

Fact of the matter is the Packers are operating in a way that has them available to challenge for the Super Bowl each year. The problem is not personnel as much as it is the coaching staff having absolutely zero killer instinct to just throttle the hell out of teams.

I think Mike McCarthy is a good coach, but if the Packers do not win the Super Bowl with a healthy Aaron Rodgers at the helm, I think it's time for him to move on.

I believe it's Ted Thompson's responsibility to get the best players available and it is Mike McCarthy's responsibility to coach them into overachieving their skill level and use them to their strengths. Which reminds me of this quote from Wade Phillips, which I 100% believe to be true and why I think the Patriots do better than most.

I don't understand the people that say, 'Hey, this is our scheme and that guy can't play in it,' a guy that can play, and is a good player, but, 'He can't play in our scheme.' To me, there's something wrong with your scheme. You adapt the scheme to what the players can do, not what you can think of.

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wpr
Preferred Member

8 years ago

I believe the fans appreciate the team. I think it is acceptable to want and expect more. 1 SB trophy is not enough. If you have 5 why would you say that is enough if you can get 6 or 7? After all if it is enough then why follow them any longer? Turn in your card and live in the bygone days.

Coaching is partially to blame but many fans also think there are other factors as well. Higher management should bear some of the burden for failures.

2013 SF playoff game was not as close as the score indicates. SF acted like they could score anytime they wanted to. In their final drive they started at their own 20 and had 14 plays in about 5 minutes. They were at the GB 38 by the 2 minute warning and simply took their time.

Yes 2014 was an epic by the coaching staff.

2015 was an injury plagued year.

All of this leads to the Uncle Teddy question yet again- what would have happened if Teddy swallowed his pride and bring in one more stud player? Would that have been enough to overcome the shortcoming of the HC or the injuries to players or any of the other issues that have befallen the team in the past? Maybe so maybe not. The problem really is Teddy puts out a team that is just good to get everyone hopes up and then hopes luck will strike like 2010.

nerdmann
Premier Member

8 years ago

I believe the fans appreciate the team. I think it is acceptable to want and expect more. 1 SB trophy is not enough. If you have 5 why would you say that is enough if you can get 6 or 7? After all if it is enough then why follow them any longer? Turn in your card and live in the bygone days.

Coaching is partially to blame but many fans also think there are other factors as well. Higher management should bear some of the burden for failures.

2013 SF playoff game was not as close as the score indicates. SF acted like they could score anytime they wanted to. In their final drive they started at their own 20 and had 14 plays in about 5 minutes. They were at the GB 38 by the 2 minute warning and simply took their time.

Yes 2014 was an epic by the coaching staff.

2015 was an injury plagued year.

All of this leads to the Ted question yet again- what would have happened if Teddy swallowed his pride and bring in one more stud player? Would that have been enough to overcome the shortcoming of the HC or the injuries to players or any of the other issues that have befallen the team in the past? Maybe so maybe not. The problem really is Teddy puts out a team that is just good to get everyone hopes up and then hopes luck will strike like 2010.

Originally Posted by: wpr

The epic fails by the coaching staff and the "injury plagued years" just continue to repeat. That's what bothers me.

Teddy can go all in at any time, but what he wants to avoid is the reckoning. If he went all in in '13, we'd be paying for it now.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

DakotaT
Select Member

8 years ago

I can't wait for ten years to pass so we can sit around and discuss the glory years when we were so thin at wide receiver and tight end that our elite quarterback didn't have guys to throw to all season. But our ultraconservative general manger chose to instead of buying a receiver or two or making a trade, he sat on cap space so that he could sign a defensive end before he hit free agency. Smooth Ted, real smooth.

Remember that time in 1996 when Ron Wolf didn't go get Andre Rison to complete a depleted WR corp.

Watching Ted's version of the Green Bay Packers is like getting ready to devour a porterhouse only the waiter didn't let you have a steak knife and didn't bring you any butter or sour cream for your baked potato.

Load this fucking team up Ted, you jackass!

Cheesey
Preferred Member

8 years ago

To win the super bowl, everything has to fall into place. Injuries, the ball bouncing your way, other teams messing up and so on.

A bad bounce in several games in 2010, and we wouldn't have even made the playoffs.
A few years ago New England was 18-0 going into the super bowl, and lost the big game.

wpr
Preferred Member

8 years ago

The epic fails by the coaching staff and the "injury plagued years" just continue to repeat. That's what bothers me.

Teddy can go all in at any time, but what he wants to avoid is the reckoning. If he went all in in '13, we'd be paying for it now.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Ridiculous thinking. If he HAD gone all in back in 13 the likelihood of a SB championship would be much greater. Instead there was no SB trophy in 13, 14 or 15. There most likely will not be one in 16 or 17 either unless the ball bounces the right way at the right time. Yeah and the Bears or vikies may stumble upon one too. Let's depend on luck instead of loading up with talent. It has worked so well over the past 5 years.

You can have a talented team and not have cap space issues. It is possible. You have to be willing to let go the mediocre players on the roster and not keep resigning them.

steveishere
Veteran Member

8 years ago

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

We got a hell of a lot more out of James Jones this year than we got out of Rison in 96. I swear people make such a big deal out of that signing like he came in and went Randy Moss '07 on the league when he barely even went Janis '15.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

8 years ago

I think so much of the answer to this question is based on what is reasonably expected out of the team in a given season. Good example would be the Badgers basketball team, last year the expectations for that team was to make it deep into the tournament, this year those expectations were not the same. early this year it looked like they would be lucky to make the tourney so if they don't make the final 4 it is not a disappointment where it would have been last year.

Fans do not like when they see their team underachieve.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

PackerTraxx
Senior Member

8 years ago

However, Rison did help us win the SB. He also had over 1000 yards receiving the year after GB. I'm sure he could have done that with GB and maybe we win SB #2 with Favre and Reggie.

Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?

yooperfan
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#10

Come this October it will be 60 years since I attended my first Packers game.
I have made my wife into a Packers fan, I have raised three children to be avid Packers fans.
We as a family have appreciated the Packers for decades.
I have seen the Packers win four Super Bowls, I would like to see them win a fifth before I go ten toes up.
Damned right I appreciate the Green Bay Packers.
What I don't appreciate is Ted Thompson's unwillingness to step out of his cocoon to more energetically pursue another Lombardi while Rodgers is in his prime.
The clock is ticking!

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Zero2Cool (1h) : I just checked. What tie breaker?

bboystyle (1h) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner

Zero2Cool (1h) : Ahh, ok.

bboystyle (1h) : yes due to tie breaker

Zero2Cool (1h) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.

Zero2Cool (1h) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?

bboystyle (1h) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference

Mucky Tundra (2h) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network

beast (3h) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th

beast (3h) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly

Zero2Cool (3h) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.

bboystyle (3h) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed

Mucky Tundra (3h) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv

Zero2Cool (3h) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno

beast (4h) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?

packerfanoutwest (4h) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans

Zero2Cool (5h) : I see what you did there Mucky

Zero2Cool (5h) : dammit. 3:25pm

Zero2Cool (5h) : Packers Vikings flexed to 3:35pm

Mucky Tundra (5h) : Upon receiving the news about Luke Musgrave, I immediately fell to the ground

Mucky Tundra (5h) : Yeah baby!

Zero2Cool (5h) : LUKE MUSGRAVE PLAYING TONIGHT~!~~~~WOWHOAAOHAOAA yah

Zero2Cool (6h) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.

beast (6h) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue

Zero2Cool (7h) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's

Zero2Cool (7h) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.

packerfanoutwest (7h) : ok I stand corrected

Zero2Cool (7h) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th

Zero2Cool (7h) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?

beast (7h) : Saying no to the 6th lock.

beast (7h) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out

Zero2Cool (7h) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.

beast (7h) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games

beast (7h) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality

beast (7h) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs

Zero2Cool (7h) : I posted it in that Packers and 1 seed thread

Zero2Cool (8h) : I literally just said it.

packerfanoutwest (8h) : show us a scenario where Pack don't get in? bet you can't

Zero2Cool (8h) : Falcons, Buccaneers would need to win final two games.

Zero2Cool (8h) : Yes, if they win one of three, they are lock. If they lose out, they can be eliminated.

packerfanoutwest (8h) : as I just said,,gtheyh are in no matter what

Zero2Cool (8h) : Packers should get in. I just hope it's not 7th seed. Feels dirty.

packerfanoutwest (8h) : If packers lose out, no matter what, they are in

packerfanoutwest (8h) : both teams can not male the playoffs....falcon hold the tie breaker

packerfanoutwest (8h) : if bucs win out they win their division

beast (8h) : Fine, Buccaneers and Falcons can get ahead of us

packerfanoutwest (8h) : falcons are already ahead of us

beast (8h) : Packers will get in

beast (8h) : If Packers lose the rest of their games and Falcons win the rest of theirs, they could pass us... but not gonna happen

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