Do we appreciate the Packers?

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

8 years ago

The 2015 Packers with a depleted and dinged WR group of James Jones (hamstring), Jared Abberderris (rib) and Jeff Janis pushed a team everyone was calling the most complete team at the time into overtime.

The 2014 Packers lost the NFC Championship after a series of small miracles and a lack of mental fortitude by the coaching staff.

The 2013 Packers lost by just 3 points to the San Francisco 49ers.

While I understand simply being one of six teams in the conference to enter the playoffs is not enough for us, nor should it be. I question why some cannot appreciate that the last few years the Packers had a team that could have went to the Super Bowl. Did we not learn anything during the 2010 season about a team needs to have some bounces go their way? Do we not understand that winning the Super Bowl is so exciting, exhilarating and awesome because it is so damn difficult to do?

Fact of the matter is the Packers are operating in a way that has them available to challenge for the Super Bowl each year. The problem is not personnel as much as it is the coaching staff having absolutely zero killer instinct to just throttle the hell out of teams.

I think Mike McCarthy is a good coach, but if the Packers do not win the Super Bowl with a healthy Aaron Rodgers at the helm, I think it's time for him to move on.

I believe it's Ted Thompson's responsibility to get the best players available and it is Mike McCarthy's responsibility to coach them into overachieving their skill level and use them to their strengths. Which reminds me of this quote from Wade Phillips, which I 100% believe to be true and why I think the Patriots do better than most.

I don't understand the people that say, 'Hey, this is our scheme and that guy can't play in it,' a guy that can play, and is a good player, but, 'He can't play in our scheme.' To me, there's something wrong with your scheme. You adapt the scheme to what the players can do, not what you can think of.

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wpr
Preferred Member

8 years ago

I believe the fans appreciate the team. I think it is acceptable to want and expect more. 1 SB trophy is not enough. If you have 5 why would you say that is enough if you can get 6 or 7? After all if it is enough then why follow them any longer? Turn in your card and live in the bygone days.

Coaching is partially to blame but many fans also think there are other factors as well. Higher management should bear some of the burden for failures.

2013 SF playoff game was not as close as the score indicates. SF acted like they could score anytime they wanted to. In their final drive they started at their own 20 and had 14 plays in about 5 minutes. They were at the GB 38 by the 2 minute warning and simply took their time.

Yes 2014 was an epic by the coaching staff.

2015 was an injury plagued year.

All of this leads to the Uncle Teddy question yet again- what would have happened if Teddy swallowed his pride and bring in one more stud player? Would that have been enough to overcome the shortcoming of the HC or the injuries to players or any of the other issues that have befallen the team in the past? Maybe so maybe not. The problem really is Teddy puts out a team that is just good to get everyone hopes up and then hopes luck will strike like 2010.

nerdmann
Premier Member

8 years ago

I believe the fans appreciate the team. I think it is acceptable to want and expect more. 1 SB trophy is not enough. If you have 5 why would you say that is enough if you can get 6 or 7? After all if it is enough then why follow them any longer? Turn in your card and live in the bygone days.

Coaching is partially to blame but many fans also think there are other factors as well. Higher management should bear some of the burden for failures.

2013 SF playoff game was not as close as the score indicates. SF acted like they could score anytime they wanted to. In their final drive they started at their own 20 and had 14 plays in about 5 minutes. They were at the GB 38 by the 2 minute warning and simply took their time.

Yes 2014 was an epic by the coaching staff.

2015 was an injury plagued year.

All of this leads to the Ted question yet again- what would have happened if Teddy swallowed his pride and bring in one more stud player? Would that have been enough to overcome the shortcoming of the HC or the injuries to players or any of the other issues that have befallen the team in the past? Maybe so maybe not. The problem really is Teddy puts out a team that is just good to get everyone hopes up and then hopes luck will strike like 2010.

Originally Posted by: wpr

The epic fails by the coaching staff and the "injury plagued years" just continue to repeat. That's what bothers me.

Teddy can go all in at any time, but what he wants to avoid is the reckoning. If he went all in in '13, we'd be paying for it now.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

DakotaT
Select Member

8 years ago

I can't wait for ten years to pass so we can sit around and discuss the glory years when we were so thin at wide receiver and tight end that our elite quarterback didn't have guys to throw to all season. But our ultraconservative general manger chose to instead of buying a receiver or two or making a trade, he sat on cap space so that he could sign a defensive end before he hit free agency. Smooth Ted, real smooth.

Remember that time in 1996 when Ron Wolf didn't go get Andre Rison to complete a depleted WR corp.

Watching Ted's version of the Green Bay Packers is like getting ready to devour a porterhouse only the waiter didn't let you have a steak knife and didn't bring you any butter or sour cream for your baked potato.

Load this fucking team up Ted, you jackass!

Cheesey
Preferred Member

8 years ago

To win the super bowl, everything has to fall into place. Injuries, the ball bouncing your way, other teams messing up and so on.

A bad bounce in several games in 2010, and we wouldn't have even made the playoffs.
A few years ago New England was 18-0 going into the super bowl, and lost the big game.

wpr
Preferred Member

8 years ago

The epic fails by the coaching staff and the "injury plagued years" just continue to repeat. That's what bothers me.

Teddy can go all in at any time, but what he wants to avoid is the reckoning. If he went all in in '13, we'd be paying for it now.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Ridiculous thinking. If he HAD gone all in back in 13 the likelihood of a SB championship would be much greater. Instead there was no SB trophy in 13, 14 or 15. There most likely will not be one in 16 or 17 either unless the ball bounces the right way at the right time. Yeah and the Bears or vikies may stumble upon one too. Let's depend on luck instead of loading up with talent. It has worked so well over the past 5 years.

You can have a talented team and not have cap space issues. It is possible. You have to be willing to let go the mediocre players on the roster and not keep resigning them.

steveishere
Veteran Member

8 years ago

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

We got a hell of a lot more out of James Jones this year than we got out of Rison in 96. I swear people make such a big deal out of that signing like he came in and went Randy Moss '07 on the league when he barely even went Janis '15.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

8 years ago

I think so much of the answer to this question is based on what is reasonably expected out of the team in a given season. Good example would be the Badgers basketball team, last year the expectations for that team was to make it deep into the tournament, this year those expectations were not the same. early this year it looked like they would be lucky to make the tourney so if they don't make the final 4 it is not a disappointment where it would have been last year.

Fans do not like when they see their team underachieve.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

PackerTraxx
Senior Member

8 years ago

However, Rison did help us win the SB. He also had over 1000 yards receiving the year after GB. I'm sure he could have done that with GB and maybe we win SB #2 with Favre and Reggie.

Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?

yooperfan
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#10

Come this October it will be 60 years since I attended my first Packers game.
I have made my wife into a Packers fan, I have raised three children to be avid Packers fans.
We as a family have appreciated the Packers for decades.
I have seen the Packers win four Super Bowls, I would like to see them win a fifth before I go ten toes up.
Damned right I appreciate the Green Bay Packers.
What I don't appreciate is Ted Thompson's unwillingness to step out of his cocoon to more energetically pursue another Lombardi while Rodgers is in his prime.
The clock is ticking!

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