DakotaT
8 years ago

There is no team that has done this since late 1990's.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



Last year we had the financial resources to buy a TE and ILB before the season started. This is what some of us complain about and you all scratch your heads and think we are assholes. It is also why some of us continue to say we are wasting Rodgers' career just like we did with Favre.
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nerdmann
8 years ago

Last year we had the financial resources to buy a TE and ILB before the season started. This is what some of us complain about and you all scratch your heads and think we are assholes. It is also why some of us continue to say we are wasting Rodgers' career just like we did with Favre.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Favre pissed his own career away with needless (I would even say blackmailed) INTs in the playoffs. I mean, go back and look at some of those.

As for Aaron, well I put some of that on Mike, but he's not innocent.
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DakotaT
8 years ago

Favre pissed his own career away with needless (I would even say blackmailed) INTs in the playoffs. I mean, go back and look at some of those.

As for Aaron, well I put some of that on Mike, but he's not innocent.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



We had a swiss cheese defense too. But yeah, Favre had a knack of choking, but thankfully he did his best work with a purple helmet on.
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DoddPower
8 years ago

Yeah, but the problem with the approach is that you are always going into the season with players in the starting lineup doing on the job training. Sometimes rookies pan out like Randall and Rollins, but then there are also times you get the Barringtons and Jake Ryans too.

I prefer solidifying the lineup prior to the season by all means available, instead of going into the season with holes in the roster.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



A team is always going to have young players learning on the job when they are paying their QB $20+ million/year. Given the Packers cap situation and the Packers free agents in 2017, I understand Ted's approach. The only things I would like to see is Peppers cut and maybe one decent free agent brought in that has been cut from another team and won't cost a compensatory draft pick. Oh, and Dom Capers replaced. Otherwise, Ted is going to find some young, cheap, and good players in this upcoming draft that will help the Packers continue to be highly successful.
Barfarn
8 years ago

Last year we had the financial resources to buy a TE and ILB before the season started. This is what some of us complain about and you all scratch your heads and think we are assholes. It is also why some of us continue to say we are wasting Rodgers' career just like we did with Favre.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



The way I see it is that we have a top 5 roster every year; then if Rodgers plays clutch and MVP in Playoffs we win. If we sell out to have one great roster every 3 or 4 years, we're only giving Rodgers a chance to win once every 3 or 4 years...this is wasting Rodgers.

And Yes he could have signed a TE and ILB.... but...This is what Porforis been talking about: Your holding Ted accountable to a standard rooted in your idealistic thinking; but Ted is operating under the constraints of a real world like this:

Per Walter football the top 5 TEs were:
*Julius Thomas – 5 yrs 46M; 80T, 46-455-5 7 drops
*Jorden Cameron- 2 yrs 15M; 70T, 35-386-3 1 fumble just had to take a paycut or get cut
*Charles Clay 5 yrs 38M; 77T, 51-521-3, 1 fumble, 4 drops
*Gresham 1 yr 3.1M; 32T-18-223-1 2 drops Cards weak at TE don’t want him no more
*Niles Paul- He just sucks

Top 5 ILBs
*Mcclain 1 yr 3M-A Headcase and mediocre player not good enough to make any difference; he could only get a 1 yr 4M contract this year based on his play last year
*D. Harris Resigned w/ Jets 3yr 21.5M this guy is good, our D would have been better with him but he wasn’t leaving Jets and there’s a limit as to how much an ILB can improve a defense-we still would have lost to AZ in playoffs
*Maluga 3 yr 15M he’s have started; but would have made no significant difference
*Foster Cut by Bears no better than what we got. Of course Boob McSpinn declared Ted an idiot for not signing him. This guy was so great last year so many GMs pounding the door for his services this year making Ray Lewis look like a high school ILB that he got a whopping 2yr 2.5M deal.
*Nate Irving 3 yrs 7.5M no better than what we got and missed ½ the games the last 2 years
*Curtis Loften 3 yr 18M just got cut because he sucked

Now tell me:
-Which 2 should Ted have bought?
-How would these 2 made any difference in winning?
-With the money spent on them, who would we NOT have signed and how that loss would not have hurt the team?
-explain how the loss of 2 4th round picks this year is justified by the said signings?

Fact is, NONE of these guys would have made us better if they came to GB [if Harris and Maluga changed teams they would have probably sucked too]. Doing as you suggested would have only served to piss away $48-65M; 2 4th Rnd picks and future Packers like Mike Daniels and Mason Crosby.
DakotaT
8 years ago

The way I see it is that we have a top 5 roster every year; then if Rodgers plays clutch and MVP in Playoffs we win. If we sell out to have one great roster every 3 or 4 years, we're only giving Rodgers a chance to win once every 3 or 4 years...this is wasting Rodgers.

And Yes he could have signed a TE and ILB.... but...This is what Porforis been talking about: Your holding Ted accountable to a standard rooted in your idealistic thinking; but Ted is operating under the constraints of a real world like this:

Per Walter football the top 5 TEs were:
*Julius Thomas – 5 yrs 46M; 80T, 46-455-5 7 drops
*Jorden Cameron- 2 yrs 15M; 70T, 35-386-3 1 fumble just had to take a paycut or get cut
*Charles Clay 5 yrs 38M; 77T, 51-521-3, 1 fumble, 4 drops
*Gresham 1 yr 3.1M; 32T-18-223-1 2 drops Cards weak at TE don’t want him no more
*Niles Paul- He just sucks

Top 5 ILBs
*Mcclain 1 yr 3M-A Headcase and mediocre player not good enough to make any difference; he could only get a 1 yr 4M contract this year based on his play last year
*D. Harris Resigned w/ Jets 3yr 21.5M this guy is good, our D would have been better with him but he wasn’t leaving Jets and there’s a limit as to how much an ILB can improve a defense-we still would have lost to AZ in playoffs
*Maluga 3 yr 15M he’s have started; but would have made no significant difference
*Foster Cut by Bears no better than what we got. Of course Boob McSpinn declared Ted an idiot for not signing him. This guy was so great last year so many GMs pounding the door for his services this year making Ray Lewis look like a high school ILB that he got a whopping 2yr 2.5M deal.
*Nate Irving 3 yrs 7.5M no better than what we got and missed ½ the games the last 2 years
*Curtis Loften 3 yr 18M just got cut because he sucked

Now tell me:
-Which 2 should Ted have bought?
-How would these 2 made any difference in winning?
-With the money spent on them, who would we NOT have signed and how that loss would not have hurt the team?
-explain how the loss of 2 4th round picks this year is justified by the said signings?

Fact is, NONE of these guys would have made us better if they came to GB [if Harris and Maluga changed teams they would have probably sucked too]. Doing as you suggested would have only served to piss away $48-65M; 2 4th Rnd picks and future Packers like Mike Daniels and Mason Crosby.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 




And of course he addressed those two holes in the draft with high picks too right? Truth of the matter is that Ted Thompson has ignored two positions on the field for a couple years now. ILB since Bishop got hurt and TE since Finley got hurt. Using UFA or late round draft pick fodder is not addressing the problems, well not in my opinion anyway.

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yooperfan
8 years ago

Fact is, NONE of these guys would have made us better if they came to GB [if Harris and Maluga changed teams they would have probably sucked too].Doing as you suggested would have only served to piss away $48-65M; 2 4th Rnd picks and future Packers like Mike Daniels and Mason Crosby.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



None of this is FACT, it's all supposition on your part.

8 years ago

It is also why some of us continue to say we are wasting Rodgers' career just like we did with Favre.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Can you elaborate on this? The Rodgers part not the Favre part.




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Zero2Cool
8 years ago
2015 LB Jake Ryan
2015 TE Dennard Backman
2014 TE Richard Rodgers
2014 LB Carl Bradford
2013 LB Nate Palmer
2013 LB Sam Barrington


It appears the Packers have been trying to improve the LB and TE positions, however, have failed to develop that talent. Perhaps the Packers should just take LB then TE and alternate throughout the draft to show they are attempting to improve the position. Of course, we have the benefit of hindsight to say "really, player X was an attempt to fill the spot?" but it's easy to be cowardly cynic. Who knew Donald Driver would turn out? Nick Collins? The list goes on and on. If the draft were an exact science, we wouldn't have helluva lot to talk about would we lol

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buckeyepackfan
8 years ago

2015 LB Jake Ryan
2015 TE Dennard Backman
2014 TE Richard Rodgers
2014 LB Carl Bradford
2013 LB Nate Palmer
2013 LB Sam Barrington


It appears the Packers have been trying to improve the LB and TE positions, however, have failed to develop that talent. Perhaps the Packers should just take LB then TE and alternate throughout the draft to show they are attempting to improve the position. Of course, we have the benefit of hindsight to say "really, player X was an attempt to fill the spot?" but it's easy to be cowardly cynic. Who knew Donald Driver would turn out? Nick Collins? The list goes on and on. If the draft were an exact science, we wouldn't have helluva lot to talk about would we lol

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Never thought it would be so hard to replace A.J. Hawk!
😄😄😄😄.
Packers run their base 3-4 D about 25% of the time.
Dom's schemes don't call for 2 ILB's all that much.
Can we give Ryan another year before falsely claiming he is a bust.
Barrington is still a mystery.
He stays healthy, there may not be much of a need at the position, considering Clay will still be moving around and taking some snaps on the inside.
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