DakotaT
9 years ago

Technically, you are both *youngsters.*

Originally Posted by: Wade 



Well, your generation is a joke too, but we've been over that many, many times. 😁
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macbob
9 years ago


I hear Lovie is available now and he is a way better head coach than MM.

Originally Posted by: Yerko 



Good lord. You needed to put some kind of smiley face at the end of that comment.

The Bares fans in my office STILL complain about Lovie Smith. They would be celebrating if the Packers selected him as head coach.

macbob
9 years ago

Why do people always bring up Packers teams of the past that didn't have HOF qb's, as if that is somehow a good comparison to today's team? Those teams stunk because they had no quarterback, not because the coaching was bad. When you have a quarterback like Rodgers your expectations better be pretty stinking high. The fact is we've been lucky as hell to have Favre and Rodgers back to back over a 20 year period and all we have to show for it 2 SBs. The Giants have done the same with Eli frickin Manning

How many coaches are going to have bad success with a quarterback like Rodgers at the helm?
Answer: Hardly any

Originally Posted by: jlyons043 



I agree with you 100% on the disappointment in only wining 2 SBs in the more than 20 years we enjoyed Favre and Rodgers (so far).

But I disagree on your premise that having a good QB = SB wins and if you don't get SB wins the coaches stink. There are a LOT of factors that go into winning a SB, not just QBs and coaches.

How old are you? Just wondering. Having suffered through the 70s and 80s, we had some good quarterbacks during that period (Lynn Dickey, Don Majkowski, for example), and we were lucky if we made it to the playoffs.
jlyons043
9 years ago

I agree with you 100% on the disappointment in only wining 2 SBs in the more than 20 years we enjoyed Favre and Rodgers (so far).

But I disagree on your premise that having a good QB = SB wins and if you don't get SB wins the coaches stink. There are a LOT of factors that go into winning a SB, not just QBs and coaches.

How old are you? Just wondering. Having suffered through the 70s and 80s, we had some good quarterbacks during that period (Lynn Dickey, Don Majkowski, for example), and we were lucky if we made it to the playoffs.

Originally Posted by: macbob 



I didn't mean to come off as good QB automatically = SB wins, they sure as hell make it way easier. But right after we won the SB in 2010 if someone came up to you and asked "Hey 5 years from now how many SB appearances and wins do you think this Green bay Team will have?" Would your honest answer have been zero?

Plus, Dickey and Majkowski aren't Aaron Rodgers good
macbob
9 years ago

I didn't mean to come off as good QB automatically = SB wins, they sure as hell make it way easier. But right after we won the SB in 2010 if someone came up to you and asked "Hey 5 years from now how many SB appearances and wins do you think this Green bay Team will have?" Would your honest answer have been zero?

Plus, Dickey and Majkowski aren't Aaron Rodgers good

Originally Posted by: jlyons043 



Nobody is Aaron Rodgers good. But they were very good QBs.

I feel that McCarthy cost us a SB appearance and a likely SB win last year.

IMO, McCarthy is a good coach, not a great coach. He put us in position to win the NFC Championship last year in a game that a lot of people here were saying that Seattle was going to beat us like a drum. But then he went and blew it with piss-poor game management at the end that allowed Seattle back in it. He took his foot off the peddle and tried to run out the clock WAY too early, when we were up by only 12 points. Set us up for the on-field execution failures ending.

And that's something I'm having trouble letting go of. He's a good coach, but to me he's forever going to be the coach who gave away the SB.



macbob
9 years ago

Well, your generation is a joke too, but we've been over that many, many times. 😁

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



All I'll say about that is:

As a kid growing up back in the 60s, it sure was fun watching the Lombardi-era Packers...

[bdance] 😝
jlyons043
9 years ago

Nobody is Aaron Rodgers good. But they were very good QBs.

I feel that McCarthy cost us a SB appearance and a likely SB win last year.

IMO, McCarthy is a good coach, not a great coach. He put us in position to win the NFC Championship last year in a game that a lot of people here were saying that Seattle was going to beat us like a drum. But then he went and blew it with piss-poor game management at the end that allowed Seattle back in it. He took his foot off the peddle and tried to run out the clock WAY too early, when we were up by only 12 points. Set us up for the on-field execution failures ending.

And that's something I'm having trouble letting go of. He's a good coach, but to me he's forever going to be the coach who gave away the SB.



Originally Posted by: macbob 



I agree with you on most of that. I still think he's a decent coach, but his arrow is definitely pointing down for me right now. Between last years meltdown and then this years inexplicably terrible offense, yes I know Jordy went down but still, the Cowboys had Kellen Moore playing QB for crying out loud & they still fielded a better offense. He hasn't adjusted to Nelson's absence & that will always be my biggest complaint with McCarthy. He can't adapt
TheKanataThrilla
9 years ago

I agree with you on most of that. I still think he's a decent coach, but his arrow is definitely pointing down for me right now. Between last years meltdown and then this years inexplicably terrible offense, yes I know Jordy went down but still, the Cowboys had Kellen Moore playing QB for crying out loud & they still fielded a better offense. He hasn't adjusted to Nelson's absence & that will always be my biggest complaint with McCarthy. He can't adapt

Originally Posted by: jlyons043 



I am upset that McCarthy could not adapt the offense with Jordy gone, but man the WRs and TE corps have been blah. Can we blame Ted Thompson for not making a trade or a move when it was obvious we needed help? I am thinking we probably could have got Jennings for a small price from Miami when they started tanking. Why is it teams like New England and Denver go out try and make a move to better the team and put themselves over the top. I don't know that Ted didn't try anything, but history tells me he doesn't Band-Aid with a known commodity when players go down.
DakotaT
9 years ago

I am upset that McCarthy could not adapt the offense with Jordy gone, but man the WRs and TE corps have been blah. Can we blame Ted Thompson for not making a trade or a move when it was obvious we needed help? I am thinking we probably could have got Jennings for a small price from Miami when they started tanking. Why is it teams like New England and Denver go out try and make a move to better the team and put themselves over the top. I don't know that Ted didn't try anything, but history tells me he doesn't Band-Aid with a known commodity when players go down.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



Yes we can, and should blame Ted Thompson. What good are all those picks he misses on, when the team you have on the field is completely struggling? Ted is so worried about getting fucked over on a trade, that he completely blows the present.
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DarkaneRules
9 years ago
Still loving this latest draft class though. It's a shame Ty got hurt. 😞
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