"There is no such thing as luck. There is only preparation, meeting opportunity." -Vince Lombardi

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

That move took kojones.

Not only did Favre think he was running the show, but it would also necessitate Ted finding a coaching staff who would be able to develop Aaron. Perhaps you think Sherman/Rosseley were going to do that. I do not think they would have been able to, even if they hadn't had their heads up Favre's keester.

THEN there is the situation with moving on from Bert to Aaron. That took more balls than perhaps any personnell move in NFL history. And this all is just a small part of what Ted has done.

You can say he has "neglected" the ILB position, but the FACT is, we clearly had the players needed to win the SB this past year with Hawk and BJones still on the roster.

Ted is a dude who drafted BOTH Eddie Lacy AND Johnathan Franklin. And as usual, he only gets to keep one of them. If you list just the players who Ted has lost due to injury, you could probably make the playoffs with those players alone. And I'm not counting Harrell, or guys who had an injury history.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Without Rodgers, we don't have a SB under Ted. Without Rodgers we wouldn't have even been close with the team from last year.

If Brett had committed to playing another 2-3 years, rather than announcing his retirement when he did. The team likely would have parted ways with Rodgers without him ever really taking the field.

Without Rodgers, Ted would be just another GM.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 

Without Rodgers, we don't have a SB under Ted. Without Rodgers we wouldn't have even been close with the team from last year.

If Brett had committed to playing another 2-3 years, rather than announcing his retirement when he did. The team likely would have parted ways with Rodgers without him ever really taking the field.

Without Rodgers, Ted would be just another GM.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 

Without Rodgers, we don't have a SB under Ted. Without Rodgers we wouldn't have even been close with the team from last year.

If Brett had committed to playing another 2-3 years, rather than announcing his retirement when he did. The team likely would have parted ways with Rodgers without him ever really taking the field.

Without Rodgers, Ted would be just another GM.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 

If the Patriots didn't have Brady, would they have won those championships? How about the Saints without Bree's? Colts without Manning? Even the Seahawks without Wilson?

Your argument is incredibly flawed.

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 

I disagree. If you're saying without an elite QB, the Packers would only be an average team, then I will agree with that. But that seems rhetorical to me. It's incredibly difficult for ANY team to be great without a great QB. It's basically a necessity. So that argument doesn't do much for me. There are many teams around the league that would instantly be contenders if they had Aaron Rodgers or another elite QB. But without them, they are average, at best. It doesn't necessarily mean that they have inadequate General Managers. That's just the way the NFL is. Some teams might be able to catch lightning in a bottle for a season or be one of the rare all time greats without an elite QB, but that's incredibly rare in today's NFL.

Who's to say the Packers wouldn't have developed another quarterback if not for Aaron Rodgers? Perhaps they would have found someone else to sit behind Favre for a few years, even if it meant he stuck around longer. None of us can say for certain. It's all conjecture. The only fact is that Ted Thompson DOES have Aaron Rodgers and has built a perennial contender. He can't be discredited because he drafted an elite quarterback. It's his team and he deserves the good and bad credit that the team gets.

Moreover, the Packers have shown they can still be an effective football team at times when playing with a second string QB (a noodle arm one, at that). Many people slam Aaron Rodgers and call him a "system" QB. Give the Packers another 1st round draft pick or so that takes all the starting reps for a few seasons and who knows what could happen. I think they would still develop an above average QB that operates well in the system. They would also still be in great shape financially and be a consistent organization.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 

Ted knew from day 1 that he would have to stand up to Favre and take back control of the team, and he did so. That's the bottom line.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

If the Patriots didn't have Brady, would they have won those championships? How about the Saints without Bree's? Colts without Manning? Even the Seahawks without Wilson?

Your argument is incredibly flawed.

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 

If Rodgers has been picked in the early 20's before getting to us, The packers are probably a completely different team and likely do not have the SB or records they have had over the last few years.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins