beast
9 years ago

Because we only have Shields (and now what?)

Originally Posted by: luigis 


Well first step is don't jump... second step... step away from the ledge... third step... start thinking again...

Packers will have 53 players on their team come Week 1 and there will be more than Shields weather you believe in them in not is a completely different story.

1. You've never even seen Hayward play outside so you have no idea how he is out there.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 


Yes we have... we've seen Hayward play outside as a rookie and he played great including getting 6 INTs... I remember reading a great article, but this is the best I could quickly find of so many years.

However, one player who made a massive impact at the position was rookie Casey Hayward, who finished third in the voting for Defensive Rookie of the Year after intercepting six passes.

With all that talent and starting experience on the field at the position, one can imagine that training camp will be fun for cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt this year. One player who has made his desire to start very clear is Hayward, who started out excelling in the slot before playing well on the outside for several games, including seven starts combined.

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I think Hyde can be a great slot CB... as he's physical and great blitzer... needs to get a little better in coverage but he's very complete.

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PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago

Well first step is don't jump... second step... step away from the ledge... third step... start thinking again...

Packers will have 53 players on their team come Week 1 and there will be more than Shields weather you believe in them in not is a completely different story.


Yes we have... we've seen Hayward play outside as a rookie and he played great including getting 6 INTs... I remember reading a great article, but this is the best I could quickly find of so many years.




I think Hyde can be a great slot CB... as he's physical and great blitzer... needs to get a little better in coverage but he's very complete.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Hayward mostly played slot his rookie year.
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beast
9 years ago

Hayward mostly played slot his rookie year.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



So? That doesn't change that Hayward has played very well on the outside when he's been asked to do so... and I believe 4 of his 6 rookies INTs were from the outside CB position.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

So? That doesn't change that Hayward has played very well on the outside when he's been asked to do so... and I believe 4 of his 6 rookies INTs were from the outside CB position.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Hayward is smooth as silk. His stature makes him a prototypical "slot" guy, but he can play at a high level even on the outside. Hyde would be ok, especially in the slot, but he needs to be able to jam guys on the LoS. His only shortcoming is top end speed. Good tackler too.

Shields is fine, he only slumped a little bit due to injury. We've got potentially great S's too. I'd like a little depth at the position, but I'm not panicking right now.
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TheKanataThrilla
9 years ago

We've got potentially great S's too. I'd like a little depth at the position, but I'm not panicking right now.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Landon Collins is a guy I like in the Draft. I have seen him slip, but I doubt with the value now being placed on the Safety position he would slip to 30. It makes no sense, but if he is there, would you BPA him? It is not like having another talented DB in this league is ever a waste, but is it a position you would burn a 1st rounder on?

blueleopard
9 years ago
I don't know where you're getting all this from. Shields is extremely talented and was the only corner in our team who put himself in a position to contest his opponent week in and week out.

And Hayward, as explained earlier, finished third in DROY voting. His 2nd year, like Shields' was hampered by injuries, and I thought he bounced back fine this year.

Tramon Williams has been straight trash ever since the end of the Super Bowl year. The man did himself no favors during the 15-1 season, constantly getting beat. His success was tied to the fact that Charles Woodson opposite him played so well. Against opposing teams' #1 receiver, Williams is a lock to disappoint. I loved him when nobody knew him, but we're past that now.

Shields, Hayward, and Hyde will be fine. Our secondary will be absolutely fine unless Jarrett Bush finds his way onto the field on defense.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

I don't know where you're getting all this from. Shields is extremely talented and was the only corner in our team who put himself in a position to contest his opponent week in and week out.

And Hayward, as explained earlier, finished third in DROY voting. His 2nd year, like Shields' was hampered by injuries, and I thought he bounced back fine this year.

Tramon Williams has been straight trash ever since the end of the Super Bowl year. The man did himself no favors during the 15-1 season, constantly getting beat. His success was tied to the fact that Charles Woodson opposite him played so well. Against opposing teams' #1 receiver, Williams is a lock to disappoint. I loved him when nobody knew him, but we're past that now.

Shields, Hayward, and Hyde will be fine. Our secondary will be absolutely fine unless Jarrett Bush finds his way onto the field on defense.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



Tramon played through severe nerve damage in his arm that brought down from the level of one of the most elite CBs in the league to just pretty good. Took more than two years for those nerves to regenerate, but he battled throught it. Dude is a warrior, he deserves the paycheck.
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Pack93z
9 years ago
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Would I rather have kept one between Williams and House.. yes. But for the market price they drew (3rd year being the kicker for Williams) I can't say I am all the upset.

We have corners.. so the title of the thread is knee jerk. Shields is a fine player on one side and we have options at the other, notably Hayward.

Plus we are not even close to the season yet, rumors are Millner is available, there are several rent a players on the market (aged but there) and some younger options. Not to mention we still have Whitt coaching the position, too soon to panic here. We have some young guys in the mix as well.

My opinion we still have a larger hole on the roster in the middle of the box.. but I am sure this will be addressed.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago
I'm going to agree with Shawn here and add that I worry about the back end only if the front end is solidly shored up. You make that defensive line Grade A, then you can have Grade B talent producing Grade A- results and the same for the back end.
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musccy
9 years ago

Tramon played through severe nerve damage in his arm that brought down from the level of one of the most elite CBs in the league to just pretty good. Took more than two years for those nerves to regenerate, but he battled throught it. Dude is a warrior, he deserves the paycheck.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 




Agreed. He did great things while in GB. If he can find someone to pay him that money, more power to him. Packers supposedly upped it to 2 for 5/year - Browns gave an extra year and 10 mil guaranteed, how can you blame him?

That said, I agree with everything pack93z just wrote. Too much $
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