luigis
10 years ago
It's a passing league and developing a very good CB takes time, this has been reflected in the amount of money that has been paid in FA to the good CBs that were available.

Now can someone tell me what is our plan? Because we only have Shields and Shields struggles against the big physical WRs. Hayward is really not good on the sides, the is barely ok on the slot and Hyde is really not an option as a CB.

Just imagine Shields get hurt. Do we start Hayward and Hyde in the sides and who in the slot?

We have played a season without a good RB and it didn't work, we have played a season with Md Jennings and McMillan as safeties and it didn't work. Are we just about to play a season without CBs?


Luis
steveishere
10 years ago
1. You've never even seen Hayward play outside so you have no idea how he is out there. People were saying the same things about Tramon when he only started off as a slot CB.
2. Hayward really is good in the slot
3. Hyde isn't great but he's fine as a slot CB
4. It's march, there's plenty of off season left
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10 years ago
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Dulak
10 years ago

It's a passing league and developing a very good CB takes time, this has been reflected in the amount of money that has been paid in FA to the good CBs that were available.

Now can someone tell me what is our plan? Because we only have Shields and Shields struggles against the big physical WRs. Hayward is really not good on the sides, the is barely ok on the slot and Hyde is really not an option as a CB.

Just imagine Shields get hurt. Do we start Hayward and Hyde in the sides and who in the slot?

We have played a season without a good RB and it didn't work, we have played a season with Md Jennings and McMillan as safeties and it didn't work. Are we just about to play a season without CBs?

Originally Posted by: luigis 



I admit Im a bit nervous about not having more then 1 starter corner ... we have bush but we all know hes not a great corner. I like tramon thought he was pretty good - we always stuck him or shields on their main guy.

Tramon has come along since al harris and woodson played the mains ... too bad hes gone.

luigis
10 years ago

I admit Im a bit nervous about not having more then 1 starter corner ... we have bush but we all know hes not a great corner. I like tramon thought he was pretty good - we always stuck him or shields on their main guy.

Tramon has come along since al harris and woodson played the mains ... too bad hes gone.

Originally Posted by: Dulak 



I'm worried about losing Tramon and House because with their good and bad things they were CBs that could play. And they were completely different.

There are many positions where with some luck you can plug in a draftee and have a great success. But CB is not one of them. There's a huge difference between college and the NFL. It's also a very difficult position to draft as the variance is too high, your scouting evaluations might fail by a huge margin when evaluating a CB.

I know I'm extra concerned because I really really don't like Hayward. I know I'm a minority about this and I hope to be wrong.

I don't like Hayward because I think he is overrated by the interceptions he got as a rookie, I believe those were lucky picks, bad throws and deflections. I haven't seen Hayward cut a route or lure a QB to throw an interception.
I also see Hayward can't run along the fast WRs so I can't see him playing on the sides, he is not big enough to defend the back shoulder throws or a jump.
And finally I think Hayward is a poor tackler and I'm convinced he is afraid of contact. I hope to be wrong about the second thing and that the first thing will be improved with proper training.

I did like House because every time we put him against a good WR he run next to him like a stamp and defended many passes. He was in my humble view a very natural CB and he was only getting better.

So I'll be worried for a while.
Luis
steveishere
10 years ago
You seem a bit biased against Hayward for whatever reason considering House and Tramon were pretty bad tacklers yet you make no mention of it. Hayward didn't just get interceptions he's been great at defending passes and not allowing YAC or long catches to begin with. He's good at tackling receivers after they catch the ball and preventing them from getting to a first down. The only real knock on him is health and top speed.
TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago
Do we invite Charles Tillman in for a look-see?
texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

1. You've never even seen Hayward play outside so you have no idea how he is out there. People were saying the same things about Tramon when he only started off as a slot CB.
2. Hayward really is good in the slot
3. Hyde isn't great but he's fine as a slot CB
4. It's march, there's plenty of off season left

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I went to Google Chrome, and I can now "applaud" again. You get my first in a couple of months, Steve.

As losing Tramon got more likely, I got more comfortable with the idea. Hopefully Ted and Mike have confidence in Hayward. My concern with him is hamstrings - they tend to keep coming back. We also have Goodson who may or may not amount to anything, and this Glover-Wright kid. There also is a distinct possibility that a high draft pick will be used for a Corner, and Corners can often play pretty well their first year.

I have often criticized Ted Thompson, but in this case, I'm thinking/hoping he knew what he was doing (or not doing).


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musccy
10 years ago



I have often criticized Ted Thompson, but in this case, I'm thinking/hoping he knew what he was doing (or not doing).

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



I don't know how much of this was a plan/vote of confidence with the current roster vs. Ted setting his price and not wanting to exceed it. As has been discussed a lot the last week, 6 and 7 mil was well above what most feel Davon and Tramon were worth.

This 2015 will be best available defender, not BAP.

PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago
There are a few 2nd/3rd tier FA with lots of experience, I would expect at least one of them to be brought in. Fletcher, McClain, Cason. I expect a lot of single coverage for Shields, that is what he is getting paid for, and bracket coverage on the other side.

The success of the defense though depends on the front 6 or 7. Get to the passer quick so the secondary can press and doesn't have to cover long.
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