Bigbyfan
10 years ago
Something tells me you would not have posted this article if the "expert" called the Packers a 13-3 team.
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Something tells me you would not have posted this article if the "expert" called the Packers a 13-3 team.

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 



[grin1] Ha! We'll never know because we aren't a 13-3 team.

Hey, I predicted 12-4...no home losses and 4-4 on road. After what I've seen, I'm not so sure 12-4 is within reach. D is TERRIBLE. Worse than expected. I believe my prediction was made prior to some of the injuries we suffered.
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10 years ago
I can't say I disagree with his player grades so much, but his translating that into a season record is certainly suspect:

His preseason pick to win the NFC North was Minnesota.



bwahahahaha....

Thanks, UDFA, I needed a good laugh... [roflmao]
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10 years ago
we suck right now no doubt.

our defense has only shown up 2/8 quarters so far. and has been an effin joke for 6.

our Offense has been iffy as well, tons of sacks, no running game at all through 2 games.

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With a mediocre team and Aaron they are 8-8. The offense is better than mediocre so they will go 10-6 with a lot of B-ing.
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Pro Football Weekly (now out of business) used to interview scouts from around the league. I recall in '09 that they published a scout’s take that criticized Aaron Rodgers. This same scout hypothesized that Matt Flynn would overtake Rodgers in the future. In other words, I wouldn't read too much into it. For every scout that sees 8-8, another out there sees 12-4. The 8-8 prediction just gets more clicks.
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Pro Football Weekly (now out of business) used to interview scouts from around the league. I recall in '09 that they published a scout’s take that criticized Aaron Rodgers. This same scout hypothesized that Matt Flynn would overtake Rodgers in the future. In other words, I wouldn't read too much into it. For every scout that sees 8-8, another out there sees 12-4. The 8-8 prediction just gets more clicks.

Originally Posted by: porky88 



Maybe. However, there is resonance with this piece with me and I have to believe many others. If we all really honestly see the team's weaknesses the same, we see that our D is awful and will not be very good this season.

We did go 15-1 a few years ago with a terrible defense. Somehow, this team seems so much worse. Strange, considering this team has a real running game. Maybe, it's because our O isn't as good as many believe, either.

Tomorrow, should tell us a lot. Rodgers has never lost to Detroit when playing a full game. Let's see if we can still say that tomorrow late afternoon. It could be changing of the guard in the NFCN tomorrow.





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First of all this is a McGinn story He is wrong 3 or 4 times more than he is right. When he is right so is everyone else in the world.

Next he double talks as he plays up the importance of his "expert".

An experienced executive in personnel for a National Football League team



He is a scout. He may be the head scout for a team but very few scouts are considered executives. That term is used for Presidents, VPs, GMs and a few other key staff people. If he was an executive he would not be referred to as a scout.

Selected because of his level of expertise and success in the NFL,



Sounds like a McGinn drinking buddy. A successful scout would actually be promoted beyond the scout level. McGinn would only use this man as his source if the scout supported McGinn's theory.

he has studied the Packers this summer, this September and for years before that.



Ok he is a scout in the NFC North division. A scout for San Diego for example would be familiar with the GB organization but would not scout them every single year extensively enough to have an accurate opinion on every player on the team. So what do you want a scout for divisional rival to say publicly? That GB has the greatest team around? Not really he is going to criticize it as much as he can. He will down play their abilities and magnify their weaknesses.

Even with all this scouts get their appraisals wrong all the time. Just look at draft day. They fail on the evaluations as much or more than they get right.

I feel much better about the Packers knowing McGinn and his buddy think they will finish 8-8.
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10 years ago
Educated guessing. Interesting for a glance but holds no water for me at all.
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Ok he is a scout in the NFC North division. A scout for San Diego for example would be familiar with the GB organization but would not scout them every single year extensively enough to have an accurate opinion on every player on the team. So what do you want a scout for divisional rival to say publicly? That GB has the greatest team around? Not really he is going to criticize it as much as he can. He will down play their abilities and magnify their weaknesses.

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I completely disagree with this conclusion. I think it's the exact opposite. If he is a NFCN related individual he would be wise to oversell the Packers. All this piece did if our players are motivated at all anymore is give bulletin board material. If I'm Mike Daniels I cut out what he said about me and tape it inside my locker.

Knowing this will be unpopular, I have to say that this piece is going to rankle those who, like our GM, have overvalued our own. This team is not that talented and this piece just points out what I consider to be a reality.

It is always hard coming to grips with an unpopular reality. We've gotten a taste of it through 2 weeks so far.

You optimists will be tested mightily. Let's see if you pass or fail.
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Knowing this will be unpopular, I have to say that this piece is going to rankle those who, like our GM, have overvalued our own. This team is not that talented and this piece just points out what I consider to be a reality.

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If you have read any of my posts you will know this is not me. I don't fit into your preconceived pigeon hole ideas for other members here. I have questioned the job of Uncle Teddy. I have questioned the play calling from Mike and his DC. I have questioned the heart and toughness of this team. I question the validity of the draft and develop philosophy. I question the lack of FA acquisitions. I question the success of the draft. I have questioned it all.

And yet I still say McGinn is self serving and looked for someone who would support his view point rather than finding the "real facts" and modifying his point of view to reflect them.
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If you have read any of my posts you will know this is not me. I don't fit into your preconceived pigeon hole ideas for other members here. I have questioned the job of Uncle Teddy. I have questioned the play calling from Mike and his DC. I have questioned the heart and toughness of this team. I question the validity of the draft and develop philosophy. I question the lack of FA acquisitions. I question the success of the draft. I have questioned it all.

And yet I still say McGinn is self serving and looked for someone who would support his view point rather than finding the "real facts" and modifying his point of view to reflect them.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Didn't McGinn say in the piece that he predicted 12-4 for the Packers before the season? I think Bob has seen what we are, so far, and has amended in his mind where we're really at. I happen to agree with him on this. Hard to see a 12-4 from what we've seen the first two weeks. Seems we overrated our Packers.

Today, is the day we'll know a lot more. I really agree with that scout about how this is a major indicator of how this season is ultimately going to turn out. Buckle up.

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If you have read any of my posts you will know this is not me. I don't fit into your preconceived pigeon hole ideas for other members here. I have questioned the job of Uncle Teddy. I have questioned the play calling from Mike and his DC. I have questioned the heart and toughness of this team. I question the validity of the draft and develop philosophy. I question the lack of FA acquisitions. I question the success of the draft. I have questioned it all.

And yet I still say McGinn is self serving and looked for someone who would support his view point rather than finding the "real facts" and modifying his point of view to reflect them.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Whatever McGinn did, I disagree with the analysis.

We do have some depth issues, but that's more on the training staff than Ted. And I think Sherrod's coming along ok. He needs to get his foot quickness back up to speed.
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I find some of the replies interesting. One of my biggest pet peeves in the posting world is when I read someone type that they just defer to Ted Thompson or MM because they know more than they do.

However, when it comes to something they disagree with all of a sudden they do know more and throw up all kinds of objections. This is not directed at anyone specific but it is a mindset you'll find on fan boards everywhere. See something you don't like and get into a debate with someone? Just throw out the Ted Thompson and MM know more than you or I so I'll just defer to them. Read someone in the professional ranks offer something that you don't agree with and all of a sudden they're wrong and you actually know something.

Bottom line...this is a professional opinion of the Packers. It doesn't mean it's correct, but it does show that we're not some type of consensus great team. There are doubters and I'm sure that number is quite high.
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DarkaneRules
10 years ago
No we are average at the moment. 1-1 is a pretty good indicator that you are average or good as a whole at that particular moment. 2-1 sounds a lot better than 1-2. We'll know which one we are later today 🙂
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Laser Gunns
10 years ago
Err 8-8 looks optimistic

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We're shitting ourselves, but it's not due to the personnell.

It's due to the offensive game plan, and general offensive philosophy.

The biggest question on this team is the NT position, followed by the ILB position. But the defense held up it's part of the bargain today.

It's the high vaunted offense that continues to self shit.
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We're sh*tting ourselves, but it's not due to the personnell.

It's due to the offensive game plan, and general offensive philosophy.

The biggest question on this team is the NT position, followed by the ILB position. But the defense held up it's part of the bargain today.

It's the high vaunted offense that continues to self sh*t.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



We don't have enough offensive weapons. Finley's loss was a major concern of mine heading into this season. He was gameplanned for and now we have NOTHING at TE. NOTHING. James Jones is gone. Boykin is okay.
Adams needs to get his head into the game. Our OL is BAD. Lacy barely has 100 yards in 3 games.

If the D played like this every week we'll win plenty of games. Just a horrific offensive performance vs. a very poor Lions secondary. Pitiful. It was the Jets game minus the comeback today.


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Our OL is BAD. Lacy barely has 100 yards in 3 games.

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Don't know if you can blame that ALL on the OL. Yes, they haven't been good, but part of it is playcalling.

Lacy's had 25 carries in the 3 games--that's 8 carries a game, or two carries per quarter. There's no way to generate a ton of yards if that's all you're touching the ball.
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