Personnel expert colors 2014 Packers an 8-8 team· Page 2

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

10 years ago

Ok he is a scout in the NFC North division. A scout for San Diego for example would be familiar with the GB organization but would not scout them every single year extensively enough to have an accurate opinion on every player on the team. So what do you want a scout for divisional rival to say publicly? That GB has the greatest team around? Not really he is going to criticize it as much as he can. He will down play their abilities and magnify their weaknesses.

Originally Posted by: wpr

I completely disagree with this conclusion. I think it's the exact opposite. If he is a NFCN related individual he would be wise to oversell the Packers. All this piece did if our players are motivated at all anymore is give bulletin board material. If I'm Mike Daniels I cut out what he said about me and tape it inside my locker.

Knowing this will be unpopular, I have to say that this piece is going to rankle those who, like our GM, have overvalued our own. This team is not that talented and this piece just points out what I consider to be a reality.

It is always hard coming to grips with an unpopular reality. We've gotten a taste of it through 2 weeks so far.

You optimists will be tested mightily. Let's see if you pass or fail.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

wpr
Preferred Member

10 years ago

#12

Knowing this will be unpopular, I have to say that this piece is going to rankle those who, like our GM, have overvalued our own. This team is not that talented and this piece just points out what I consider to be a reality.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

If you have read any of my posts you will know this is not me. I don't fit into your preconceived pigeon hole ideas for other members here. I have questioned the job of Uncle Teddy. I have questioned the play calling from Mike and his DC. I have questioned the heart and toughness of this team. I question the validity of the draft and develop philosophy. I question the lack of FA acquisitions. I question the success of the draft. I have questioned it all.

And yet I still say McGinn is self serving and looked for someone who would support his view point rather than finding the "real facts" and modifying his point of view to reflect them.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

10 years ago

#13

Originally Posted by: wpr

Didn't McGinn say in the piece that he predicted 12-4 for the Packers before the season? I think Bob has seen what we are, so far, and has amended in his mind where we're really at. I happen to agree with him on this. Hard to see a 12-4 from what we've seen the first two weeks. Seems we overrated our Packers.

Today, is the day we'll know a lot more. I really agree with that scout about how this is a major indicator of how this season is ultimately going to turn out. Buckle up.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

#14

Originally Posted by: wpr

Whatever McGinn did, I disagree with the analysis.

We do have some depth issues, but that's more on the training staff than Ted. And I think Sherrod's coming along ok. He needs to get his foot quickness back up to speed.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

10 years ago

#15

I find some of the replies interesting. One of my biggest pet peeves in the posting world is when I read someone type that they just defer to Ted Thompson or MM because they know more than they do.

However, when it comes to something they disagree with all of a sudden they do know more and throw up all kinds of objections. This is not directed at anyone specific but it is a mindset you'll find on fan boards everywhere. See something you don't like and get into a debate with someone? Just throw out the Ted Thompson and MM know more than you or I so I'll just defer to them. Read someone in the professional ranks offer something that you don't agree with and all of a sudden they're wrong and you actually know something.

Bottom line...this is a professional opinion of the Packers. It doesn't mean it's correct, but it does show that we're not some type of consensus great team. There are doubters and I'm sure that number is quite high.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#16

No we are average at the moment. 1-1 is a pretty good indicator that you are average or good as a whole at that particular moment. 2-1 sounds a lot better than 1-2. We'll know which one we are later today 🙂

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

Laser Gunns
Senior Member

10 years ago

#17

Err 8-8 looks optimistic

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nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

#18

We're shitting ourselves, but it's not due to the personnell.

It's due to the offensive game plan, and general offensive philosophy.

The biggest question on this team is the NT position, followed by the ILB position. But the defense held up it's part of the bargain today.

It's the high vaunted offense that continues to self shit.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

10 years ago

#19

We're sh*tting ourselves, but it's not due to the personnell.

It's due to the offensive game plan, and general offensive philosophy.

The biggest question on this team is the NT position, followed by the ILB position. But the defense held up it's part of the bargain today.

It's the high vaunted offense that continues to self sh*t.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

We don't have enough offensive weapons. Finley's loss was a major concern of mine heading into this season. He was gameplanned for and now we have NOTHING at TE. NOTHING. James Jones is gone. Boykin is okay.
Adams needs to get his head into the game. Our OL is BAD. Lacy barely has 100 yards in 3 games.

If the D played like this every week we'll win plenty of games. Just a horrific offensive performance vs. a very poor Lions secondary. Pitiful. It was the Jets game minus the comeback today.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

macbob
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#20

Our OL is BAD. Lacy barely has 100 yards in 3 games.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Don't know if you can blame that ALL on the OL. Yes, they haven't been good, but part of it is playcalling.

Lacy's had 25 carries in the 3 games--that's 8 carries a game, or two carries per quarter. There's no way to generate a ton of yards if that's all you're touching the ball.

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