For some reason, it's impossible for him to see the blatantly obvious subjectivity to his posts. The majority of the time, they are FAR from "objective" or "reality." But, it's obvious he's incapable of seeing that, so it is what it is. But if someone tries to tell me not to enjoy a historical come back win . . . well they can just kiss my [boxing] . I enjoyed the win because it had lots of drama, excellent plays, and a victory. Just what I look for in my entertainment. Sure, it could have been a better win, but a win is a win. No one is going to minimize that for me. In fact, no one is going to tell me how to enjoy Packers football in any way, shape, or form. I'm going to enjoy it as I see fit just as everyone else is going to.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 

It is not negative to point out that it's an absolute joke to be celebrating a win over the Jets as if we just beat the Seahawks. The Jets should've been no match for us, however, our D is so bad that even a poor offense (see Raiders performance) looked good.

Subjective? So, beating the Jets is reason to get all excited as a Packers fan? Yes or No? That is subjectivity? Subjectivity is spinning a win that any objective person would tell you should've been a whole lot easier into some kind of wonderful performance. It wasn't. It was an embarrassing performance by the Green Bay Packers especially on defense. Jordy and Aaron hit one big play which did happen so you can't discount it but minus that play Jordy finished with 129 yards with a stacked box vs. Lacy.

We caught a break from an official that had it gone against us and not for us this forum would still be complaining how we got screwed ala Seattle but because it went for us I've read every excuse in the book how that was the right call. Yes, surely you're the objective one, here, and me the subjective.

My presentation is what it is because I feel it's necessary to combat the blatant homerism that is presented and homerism and reality are not cousins nor friends of one another.

To do it 12 times like you say I do, which, again, is necessary because for every one of my posts there are 12 on the koolaid train headed down the opposite track...it is embarrassing to play like that vs the NYJ. That is reality for a team that supposedly has SB aspirations. Two weeks in...D is horrible, they were scared and discombobulated in Seattle and I can't even characterize what they were vs. the pitiful Jets. I'd go with unprepared just like they were in Seattle.

Just wait for Detroit...I'm sure the excuses are spinning in your mind already to excuse the 40 Detroit hangs on us and the 20 or so less we score on them but I'll be the negative one, again.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

My only issue with Ted is his not being willing to go for it when the time is right. Which for this team was before signing Rodgers and Matthews both to their contracts. We had all our best players under contract, and clearly had money.

Getting 3 starters out of a draft is a great draft. AT that pace it would take over 7 drafts to fill your starting lineup assuming you get a 3 starters each draft and never duplicate a position over that time. That none of them are lost to injury or FA after their rookie contracts end. The best practice in the draft is getting the best talent available. That best talent is often not in places that need to be improved, example is ILB, we haven't been able to improve the position in how many years. If we can't than we need to look outside the draft to do so at some point.

Because of the contracts that we now have, it is going to be extremely difficult to improve the team with out lightning striking in the draft and getting a bunch of young kids that are able to come in immediately and be impact starters.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 

If you think a fan enjoying a great come back win and a pretty much dominant second half is "blatant homerism," then I don't really know what to say. Who said it was as great as beating the Seahakws? I certainly didn't. All I said is that I enjoyed the win. If you didn't enjoy the win at all, that's fine. But trying to moderate others enjoyment of a win just seems stupid to me. It's not like you're going to change how people feel about it anyway.

I'm not really sure why you feel the need to battle how people enjoy the game. Who cares if a sports fan is a bit of a homer? Everyone enjoys sports and entertainment in general in different ways and on different levels. Why can't a sports fan be a little bit of a "homer?" Why would a fan want to react in any way that minimizes the entertainment value of their favorite team? Everyone can enjoy it as they see fit. Most of the posters here are well aware of the weaknesses of this team. They have been stated many times and have been for years. But there's nothing I can personally do about it so I'm not going to sit around and b*tch constantly. I enjoy watching Packers football, even if they aren't the best team in the league. I enjoy watching big plays, seeing Lambeau field packed, Aaron Rodgers making throws that few can make, and most importantly, wins. Things could always be better, as basically everything in life could. But that doesn't mean that the actual reality isn't enjoyable. To each their own. You think beating the Jets was "embarrassing." I think it was a nice win and pretty entertaining, and certainly much better than the alternative. I'm glad you feel like you are a righteous solder that is destined to "combat blatant homerism." But it just seems a silly to me. To each their own.

If the Packers get embarrassed in Detroit, well, it is what it is. I'm certainly not going to cry about it. The more embarrassments that occur just make actually winning that much more enjoyable. I personally think the Packers can beat Detroit, as they have done many times in the past several years. They just need to play like they are capable of playing.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 

I enjoyed your post Dodd. Fans come in all shapes and sizes. There are certainly more than 50 shades of grey (or is it gray) when it comes to fans. Personally every single fan who isn't jumping on the wagon because a team is winning should be a homer. That said they all express it differently. That is what is so great about coming to this board. We can get a variety of opinions in a few minutes.

I have picked on him before but my pain the rear BIL seemingly can only find enjoyment out of his sorry @ssed bares by trying to pick on the Packers. I guess that is his way of being a homer. I slap him around a little and he slinks back under his rock for a while and all is good.

I enjoy uffda's passion. He is over the top from time to time so I mentally edited it and go on.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

It is not negative to point out that it's an absolute joke to be celebrating a win over the Jets as if we just beat the Seahawks. The Jets should've been no match for us, however, our D is so bad that even a poor offense (see Raiders performance) looked good.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa