mi_keys
11 years ago

I would like to add that Daryn Colledge has a ring and Dan Marion does not. Thus, Colledge should be in the Hall of Fame.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



You're nothing if not persistent.
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mi_keys
11 years ago

5 > 1.


IMO

Originally Posted by: Wade 



And 7>5. Do you rate Otto Graham above all quarterbacks ever?
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Zero2Cool
11 years ago
Jordy Nelson
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I don't see Chris Harper muscling his way onto this roster. Unless Janis can't catch.
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sschind
11 years ago

And 7>5. Do you rate Otto Graham above all quarterbacks ever?

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



Some people do.

Face it, the championships argument will always be used when it supports your claim and dismissed when it does not.

Just as some fans will continually tell rival fans to quit living in the past in one breath and bring up any number of past accomplishments from their team in the next.

Whatever works to your advantage I suppose.

I wonder if it works with other positions as well? Was Max McGee a better WR than Calvin Johnson? He must be, he has two rings has two SB rings to megatron's zero.
mi_keys
11 years ago

Some people do.

Face it, the championships argument will always be used when it supports your claim and dismissed when it does not.

Just as some fans will continually tell rival fans to quit living in the past in one breath and bring up any number of past accomplishments from their team in the next.

Whatever works to your advantage I suppose.

I wonder if it works with other positions as well? Was Max McGee a better WR than Calvin Johnson? He must be, he has two rings has two SB rings to megatron's zero.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I've honestly never heard anyone claim Otto Graham as the greatest quarterback ever. He hardly ever gets mentioned in my experience, which is a shame because he deserves to be discussed as one of the greats. I just wouldn't rate him number 1.

I'm aware it will probably never go away, but it's not going to stop me from dispising it as an argument. It's, at best, intellectually dishonest, which is I suppose the point you're making about whatever works to your advantage.
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nerdmann
11 years ago

Some people do.

Face it, the championships argument will always be used when it supports your claim and dismissed when it does not.

Just as some fans will continually tell rival fans to quit living in the past in one breath and bring up any number of past accomplishments from their team in the next.

Whatever works to your advantage I suppose.

I wonder if it works with other positions as well? Was Max McGee a better WR than Calvin Johnson? He must be, he has two rings has two SB rings to megatron's zero.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



It's not the ONLY factor. Some of those guys aren't even in the conversation. But the main thing that stands in Aaron's way is Aaron himself.

Marino's another example of what happens when you stat whore.
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OlHoss1884
11 years ago
I know we are off the rails again but Otto Graham is commonly offered up as one of the best ever (I still say Unitas). The problem with such arguments is that you are comparing different eras and not taking into account a lot of other factors like matchups and the rest of the team. Is Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer greater than Dan Marino?

Pittsburgh fans commonly discount any championship that takes place before the Super Bowl era like winning it all with a much higher talent pool doesn't count.

Brett Favre was not responsible for stopping Terrel Davis. Otto Graham never faced Deacon Jones. Dan Marino never got to hand off to Hornung and Taylor.

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uffda udfa
11 years ago
Tarvaris Jackson also has a SB ring. He's clearly among the greats.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
Gosh, did I ignite this "RING" firestorm? And just by commenting that Aaron Rodgers is the greatest QB in this history of the world? Actually, I didn't even word it right; I shoulda said Rodgers WILL BE the greatest QB in history by the time he his done. Right now, that honor goes to BRETT FAVRE!

Jump Ball hahahaha.

I say again, Bart Starr was the hero of the team I loved growing up. However, who you have playing with you and coaching makes a huge difference in winning championships. It also makes a difference who is playing against you, including how many teams are even in the league.
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uffda udfa
11 years ago

Gosh, did I ignite this "RING" firestorm? And just by commenting that Aaron Rodgers is the greatest QB in this history of the world? Actually, I didn't even word it right; I shoulda said Rodgers WILL BE the greatest QB in history by the time he his done. Right now, that honor goes to BRETT FAVRE!

Jump Ball hahahaha.

I say again, Bart Starr was the hero of the team I loved growing up. However, who you have playing with you and coaching makes a huge difference in winning championships. It also makes a difference who is playing against you, including how many teams are even in the league.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Brett Favre the best ever? [duh] There's no way in the world the "best ever" throws that many stupid interceptions in his career. Guy most fun to watch...maybe...but no way in the world is he the best ever or even the best ever in Green Bay. I would take Aaron Rodgers 10 times out of 10 over Brett Favre even if Aaron's career was already over today.

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