nerdmann
11 years ago

Brett Favre the best ever? [duh] There's no way in the world the "best ever" throws that many stupid interceptions in his career. Guy most fun to watch...maybe...but no way in the world is he the best ever or even the best ever in Green Bay. I would take Aaron Rodgers 10 times out of 10 over Brett Favre even if Aaron's career was already over today.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Brett was the best ever at being blackmailed to take a dive in the playoffs year after year.
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Dexter_Sinister
11 years ago

And 7>5. Do you rate Otto Graham above all quarterbacks ever?

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



Tied for 2nd with Rodgers and Sammy Baugh.
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Dexter_Sinister
11 years ago

Gosh, did I ignite this "RING" firestorm? And just by commenting that Aaron Rodgers is the greatest QB in this history of the world? Actually, I didn't even word it right; I shoulda said Rodgers WILL BE the greatest QB in history by the time he his done. Right now, that honor goes to BRETT FAVRE!

Jump Ball hahahaha.

I say again, Bart Starr was the hero of the team I loved growing up. However, who you have playing with you and coaching makes a huge difference in winning championships. It also makes a difference who is playing against you, including how many teams are even in the league.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Favre breaks the top 40 if he is lucky. He probably gets pushed out of that if Wilson can keep it up until he has the minimum number of passing attempts that qualifies for having a career.

Favre isn't even the 3rd best Packer QB.
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Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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Wade
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11 years ago

And 7>5. Do you rate Otto Graham above all quarterbacks ever?

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



That's tough, for two reasons:

1. I never saw Graham play outside of occasional highlight reels.
2. The difference between 5 and 7 (40% bigger) and between 1 and 5 (400% bigger) is a lot smaller. An order of magnitude smaller, in fact.

So Graham v. Starr is a toughie.

Graham v. Rodgers? That's easy.

Graham.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
mi_keys
11 years ago

That's tough, for two reasons:

1. I never saw Graham play outside of occasional highlight reels.
2. The difference between 5 and 7 (40% bigger) and between 1 and 5 (400% bigger) is a lot smaller. An order of magnitude smaller, in fact.

So Graham v. Starr is a toughie.

Graham v. Rodgers? That's easy.

Graham.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



From a percentage basis, 1 is immeasurably larger than 0, does that make Dilfer over Marino an easy decision?
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nerdmann
11 years ago

From a percentage basis, 1 is immeasurably larger than 0, does that make Dilfer over Marino an easy decision?

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



Say what you want about Dilfer, but he wasn't out there trying to pad his stats to the detriment of the rest of the team.
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mi_keys
11 years ago

Say what you want about Dilfer, but he wasn't out there trying to pad his stats to the detriment of the rest of the team.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

Right... he just skipped straight over the padding and right to the detriment part.
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steveishere
11 years ago

Say what you want about Dilfer, but he wasn't out there trying to pad his stats to the detriment of the rest of the team.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



If you were referring to Brees or Stafford or someone who throws the ball 40+ times a game no matter the situation I could see it but you are referring to Rodgers who doesn't pad his stats at all so you are just full of shit. Of course you won't have any proof or reasoning to offer up like you haven't for years you'll just keep on spouting the same bullshit that doesn't even make sense.
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nerdmann
11 years ago

If you were referring to Brees or Stafford or someone who throws the ball 40+ times a game no matter the situation I could see it but you are referring to Rodgers who doesn't pad his stats at all so you are just full of shit. Of course you won't have any proof or reasoning to offer up like you haven't for years you'll just keep on spouting the same bullshit that doesn't even make sense.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I actually watch the games.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
sschind
11 years ago

I've honestly never heard anyone claim Otto Graham as the greatest quarterback ever. He hardly ever gets mentioned in my experience, which is a shame because he deserves to be discussed as one of the greats. I just wouldn't rate him number 1.

I'm aware it will probably never go away, but it's not going to stop me from dispising it as an argument. It's, at best, intellectually dishonest, which is I suppose the point you're making about whatever works to your advantage.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



You may be right. I sometimes get the old guys confused, and why not, I am an confused old guy myself. I think I was thinking of Sammy Baugh and not Otto Graham.

I don't like it as an argument either. It totally disregards the other players on the team not to mention coaching and all the other intangibles. You can take the best QB ever (we will find out who that is in the other thread) and put him on some of those Packers teams of the 70's and 80's and they still were not winning division much less the Super Bowl and guys like Dilfer prove it takes a village.
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