Brett Favre the best ever? [duh] There's no way in the world the "best ever" throws that many stupid interceptions in his career. Guy most fun to watch...maybe...but no way in the world is he the best ever or even the best ever in Green Bay. I would take Aaron Rodgers 10 times out of 10 over Brett Favre even if Aaron's career was already over today.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

And 7>5. Do you rate Otto Graham above all quarterbacks ever?

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 

Gosh, did I ignite this "RING" firestorm? And just by commenting that Aaron Rodgers is the greatest QB in this history of the world? Actually, I didn't even word it right; I shoulda said Rodgers WILL BE the greatest QB in history by the time he his done. Right now, that honor goes to BRETT FAVRE!

Jump Ball hahahaha.

I say again, Bart Starr was the hero of the team I loved growing up. However, who you have playing with you and coaching makes a huge difference in winning championships. It also makes a difference who is playing against you, including how many teams are even in the league.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

And 7>5. Do you rate Otto Graham above all quarterbacks ever?

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 

That's tough, for two reasons:

1. I never saw Graham play outside of occasional highlight reels.
2. The difference between 5 and 7 (40% bigger) and between 1 and 5 (400% bigger) is a lot smaller. An order of magnitude smaller, in fact.

So Graham v. Starr is a toughie.

Graham v. Rodgers? That's easy.

Graham.

Originally Posted by: Wade 

From a percentage basis, 1 is immeasurably larger than 0, does that make Dilfer over Marino an easy decision?

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 

Say what you want about Dilfer, but he wasn't out there trying to pad his stats to the detriment of the rest of the team.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Say what you want about Dilfer, but he wasn't out there trying to pad his stats to the detriment of the rest of the team.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

If you were referring to Brees or Stafford or someone who throws the ball 40+ times a game no matter the situation I could see it but you are referring to Rodgers who doesn't pad his stats at all so you are just full of shit. Of course you won't have any proof or reasoning to offer up like you haven't for years you'll just keep on spouting the same bullshit that doesn't even make sense.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 

I've honestly never heard anyone claim Otto Graham as the greatest quarterback ever. He hardly ever gets mentioned in my experience, which is a shame because he deserves to be discussed as one of the greats. I just wouldn't rate him number 1.

I'm aware it will probably never go away, but it's not going to stop me from dispising it as an argument. It's, at best, intellectually dishonest, which is I suppose the point you're making about whatever works to your advantage.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys