play2win
11 years ago

Hyde is already a better safety prospect than either of those Prior or Dix. A third round safety maybe. I think we take a TE or WR in the first round if one falls. We're going to have a pass rush this season and our safeties are not going to look nearly as bad as last year.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I agree with this. Could easily see WR in the 1st.
texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
I don't see us taking a WR or a TE in the first round and probably not at all above the last couple of rounds. There's just no way the first round pick won't be either Safety or ILB. Safety, especially, the need is so obvious, and nothing was done in free agency. And I HOPE he doesn't pull that trading down crap again this year. Trading up if a great player is there for the taking, that would be good. My best guess is we get Pryor without trading up.
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steveishere
11 years ago

I don't see us taking a WR or a TE in the first round and probably not at all above the last couple of rounds. There's just no way the first round pick won't be either Safety or ILB. Safety, especially, the need is so obvious, and nothing was done in free agency. And I HOPE he doesn't pull that trading down crap again this year. Trading up if a great player is there for the taking, that would be good. My best guess is we get Pryor without trading up.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



It would be dumb to take a S if say 3 or 4 S are already off the board. Not that that's likely but the point is you don't just go into it saying "I need this position no matter what". Also it's not like the trading down thing has been bad for us actually it's worked out pretty good (Jordy/Lacy). If it comes to your pick and no players stands out on your board what is the harm of trading back?
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beast
11 years ago

In the 1st round, since 2007, the Packers have always taken a linemen or 3-4 OLB (which get used like linemen in the nickel and dime packages and nickel is the most often played package in todays NFL, the 3-4 OLB are basically stand-up 4-2 DE linemen as well).
Ted Thompson has taken interior O-linemen in the 2nd and 3rd round (Colledge and Spitz) but since 2007 the higher interior O-linemen has been taken in the 4th round and Ted Thompson seems to be pretty good in the 4th round (Sitton, Lang, Bakhtiari, Tretter, Barbrebust)


Packers also seem to have a number of guys that can hopefully play the 3-4 DE spot.


So my first guesses are they're going to be looking at NT and OT... as Bulaga, Raji and Sherrod* only have one for sure year left on their contract ( * = Sherrod has a "Club Option" for 2015 season... I don't know how much money that option would be for, so I don't know how likely or unlikely it is for them to pick up)



Raji only has one year left... and if they want their NT to play two gap, they could use a pick to improve their future options. Boyd and Worthy might be able to play two gap very well, but I haven't seen enough of them doing it for me to say that. If they're switching to a scheme that has their NT play a lot of one gap then they're probably fine as Daniels could probably play one gap there pretty well.


While in theory the Packers will resign Bulaga, they might not offer as much as he would like if he can't stay healthy enough and could go else where. Same with Sherrod, they might choose not the pick up that option bonus.


With adding all these 3-4 DE / 3-4 OLB types (Datone, Neal, Peppers, etc) some fans are wondering if the ILBers might get on the field less, and the might have Matthews rushing up the middle more while these guys rush the edges.


And Safety seemed to need a upgrade and they haven't done it (yet). So there will probably be a Safety taken in the draft, but MM has talked about getting Hyde on the field for defense anyways possible, and hopefully with healthy Shields, Williams and Hayward, the easiest way to get him on the field might be as a Safety. If that's their plan, they may feel less needing to get a Safety compared to the fans.
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beast
11 years ago

Also some are projecting the TEs to fall and not go nearly as high as fans think they will. It'd be interesting if all the TEs were still on the board would the Packers grab one or wait until later.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

It would be dumb to take a S if say 3 or 4 S are already off the board. Not that that's likely but the point is you don't just go into it saying "I need this position no matter what". Also it's not like the trading down thing has been bad for us actually it's worked out pretty good (Jordy/Lacy). If it comes to your pick and no players stands out on your board what is the harm of trading back?

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



First of all, I don't see that happening. If things are headed that way, however, Ted really ought to do the opposite of what he usually does: Trade Up!

Somebody posted that most or all of the mock drafts show both Dix and Pryor being available when the Packers pick. True or false, I don't know, but it's more likely than all the good ones being gone. Bottom line: we NEED a Safety.

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warhawk
11 years ago

I don't see us taking a WR or a TE in the first round and probably not at all above the last couple of rounds. There's just no way the first round pick won't be either Safety or ILB. Safety, especially, the need is so obvious, and nothing was done in free agency. And I HOPE he doesn't pull that trading down crap again this year. Trading up if a great player is there for the taking, that would be good. My best guess is we get Pryor without trading up.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



I'm the one that had posted that nearly all the mock drafts have either Dix or Pryor still available and I only saw ONE mock that had these two plus Mosely selected prior to #21.

I'm actually more sure that one of these players will be there than I am that Ted will pick them over Ebron if he's still on the board.

If Ted Thompson deems him the BPA it could happen and it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing either.

The needs on defense have been well documented. The Packers need to get better at Safety, ILB, and at the least, more depth at OLB

The Packers offense, however, also needs to get better at scoring TD's in the Red Zone and Arod certainly wouldn't hurt from having a TE that could rip the seam. Neither would the other receivers mind having that.

Now both these issues came to roost against the 49'rs. The defense played admirably in that game but in the end gave up the game winning FG. Let's not forget, however, that previous to this the Packers had the ball 1st and goal inside the 10 and only came away with a game tying FG.

So you have an offense that by all counts is very good BUT does not come away with enough TD's vs. FG's when in the Red Zone and the question is: What have they done about that? They resigned Quarless and that's fine but will he step up in 2014 and help the Red Zone offense be better? I like Quarless a lot but I honestly don't know if he's the answer on this issue.

In a game where it's become more and more about scoring points it will be interesting to see how Teddy answers this question if say Pryor, Mosely, (or one of the two) and Ebron ( or another TE Thompson likes) are all options.





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DoddPower
11 years ago

I'm the one that had posted that nearly all the mock drafts have either Dix or Pryor still available and I only saw ONE mock that had these two plus Mosely selected prior to #21.

I'm actually more sure that one of these players will be there than I am that Ted will pick them over Ebron if he's still on the board.

If Ted Thompson deems him the BPA it could happen and it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing either.

The needs on defense have been well documented. The Packers need to get better at Safety, ILB, and at the least, more depth at OLB

The Packers offense, however, also needs to get better at scoring TD's in the Red Zone and Arod certainly wouldn't hurt from having a TE that could rip the seam. Neither would the other receivers mind having that.

Now both these issues came to roost against the 49'rs. The defense played admirably in that game but in the end gave up the game winning FG. Let's not forget, however, that previous to this the Packers had the ball 1st and goal inside the 10 and only came away with a game tying FG.

So you have an offense that by all counts is very good BUT does not come away with enough TD's vs. FG's when in the Red Zone and the question is: What have they done about that? They resigned Quarless and that's fine but will he step up in 2014 and help the Red Zone offense be better? I like Quarless a lot but I honestly don't know if he's the answer on this issue.

In a game where it's become more and more about scoring points it will be interesting to see how Teddy answers this question if say Pryor, Mosely, (or one of the two) and Ebron ( or another TE Thompson likes) are all options.

Originally Posted by: warhawk 



I'm obviously no general manager, but the answer seems easy and clear to me. Ted should pick what he believes to be the best available player. The guy that he thinks has the best potential to be a super star. If that's a tight end, great. If it's a safety or middle linebacker, great. Even if it's an offensive linemen, that's great too, so long as he's right in his evaluation. If he was, time would easily justify the pick. It would be silly to pass up on a Jimmy Graham or Rob Gronkoski type of player for another Morgan Burnett or some other decent safety. Of course, if Ted thinks both a TE and a safety are equal in terms of super star ability, then things get more difficult. I would just try to discern which one would ultimately be the best player, and go with that. I suppose positions like QB and RB are exceptions, but I'm not even convinced of that. If there was a sure-fire Eddie Lacy or Aaron Rodgers sitting there, I don't see how a general manager could pass them up. There's always an option of a trade. Of course I understand why that doesn't happen often because no player is ever actually a "sure-fire" super star. But still, if a general manager was completely confident that a QB or RB was an elite player, they should trust their instinct, imo. The organization is paying for that intuition and preparation.
texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
Agreed, it would be tough to pass on a sure thing superstar TE, for sure. However, college success or measurables don't always translate to pro success. Who knew - regarding Graham and Gronkowski? And I can't really think of any great examples, but probably not all college greats burned up the NFL either. And who's to say Prior or Dix won't be a LOT better than Burnett? For that matter, I'm not nearly as down on Burnett as a lot of people are. And he, of course, was not a first round pick.
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beast
11 years ago

Agreed, it would be tough to pass on a sure thing superstar TE, for sure. However, college success or measurables don't always translate to pro success. Who knew - regarding Graham and Gronkowski? And I can't really think of any great examples, but probably not all college greats burned up the NFL either. And who's to say Prior or Dix won't be a LOT better than Burnett? For that matter, I'm not nearly as down on Burnett as a lot of people are. And he, of course, was not a first round pick.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 




I think most that follow the pre-draft stuff know it was possible for Gronkowski IF he stayed healthy, but with some injuries including recent back surgery, no one knew if he'd stay healthy.


As for Graham, I wanted the Packers to draft him SOOO bad. I seem to love potential when it comes to the draft, and I knew Graham had a ton of potential and would probably be a boom or a bust guy. I didn't know which he was going to be. When the Packers traded up in the 3rd round that year I thought it was going to be for Graham, instead it was for Burnett (who's been pretty good himself until last year.).

This year seems like the TEs are all pretty different, pretty much got some for all styles of football.


The 3 guys I think have the most potential at TE spot in this draft are
(maybe not in this order)

Eric Ebron, Jace Amaro and Troy Niklas

TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina, 6-4, 250
He's got a lot of the same skill sets as TE Vernon Davis, doesn't run the best routes but tons of explosiveness straight line speed, and burned guys... this does NOT mean he will be boom like Vernon Davis did (heck Vernon Davis didn't boom until a couple years in, the head coach kicked him off the sideline and gave a speech about him).

TE Jace Amaro, Texas Tech, 6-5, 265
I won't same the same but he's got a similar skill set as Jimmy Graham, as both are basically over sized WRs. I haven't really seen Amaro block with, and Graham hasn't been asked to block much lately though, and he had very little power, yet was surprisingly good because he's super long arms made him pesty.

TE Troy Niklas, Notre Dame, 6-6, 270
Of the blockers, Niklas has shown the best potential to me, he's still learning the receiver side of things and less like he's coming out a year earlier than everyone thinks he should of (same with Finley, when he came out). But he's shown the best movement skills, getting down field surprisingly quick as times and has shown very good potential as receiver despite being very raw in that area.




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