nerdmann
11 years ago

I agree with Satan that safety is our biggest need, but I think the guy is already on the roster. Micah Hyde should be beefed up a little and play every down. The guy is a tackling machine and can cover. What else are we looking for. Draft a corner instead.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



NT or OLB.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

Not Capers... the scheme, which NFL coaches know can work and has worked. It's the traditional 3-4 scheme... which I think the Patriots used when they won 3 out of 4 straight Super Bowls. Personally I think Capers 3-4 system which is more high risk (and hopefully high reward) is better (just like you) which the Packers ran from 2009 to 2011 but got away from after the DL and DB got a lot worse in 2011 due to injuries, FA and declining vets and Packers need to go to something less aggressive.

I just think you don't understand how coaches can ask certain positions to be role players and do more of the dirty work to open up others t make plays. Almost every system someone has to do the dirty work unless you get something like a full time 4-2 cover or tampa 2 like the bears play under lovie smith.




Nope I didn't... It's just clear your logic is all players equally being trying to be play makers is best which is your philosophy.

Sometimes that's true, sometimes it's not true. Players like Ryan Pickett, Brady Poppinga and many others have been best in role positions doing the dirty work to get other guys open to make the play.




Well if you watch the game you would of saw on 3rd down when the pass rushers would come in and they would still double Matthews. So they whole, if you do this every thing is solved is just not correct. Teams chip the best pass rusher even with other pass rushers in there.

And what's up with the stupid name calling? Fat turds? Are we in middle school or something? If that profile pic is of you, you don't look like the skinniest guy out there.



Ummm I think you misread what I wrote or didn't understand something as you agreed with me about Richards not being the coverage S they seem to want.


What I said was (and said it's probably a horrible idea), but I wonder how Richardson would look if gained some weight and played as a coverage ILB (not S but ILB). Again probably a horrible idea but just something I wondered about.

you just agreed with what I said about Richardson... yet you're saying "come on!" and using a disagreeing tone.

My post said Richardson can't be used like they want at S (cover Safety) that can rotate back and forth between SS and FS.

The thing I was wondering (and I said it's probably a horrible idea) I wonder if they asked him to gain weight and become a coverage ILB (not Safety like you wrot

Originally Posted by: beast 



Richardson to ILB? It's an interesting idea, but I honestly haven't seen that much in the guy to merit the effort.

You are correct that teams still double teamed Matthews even when the Packers had a pass rush package in there, and that double teaming - if YOU watched closely, was more than just the usual TE chipping on him, and they got away with it. However, even the situational D-Line usually included at least one fat pig in there.

So you're calling me fat huh? hahahaha It has taken me 66 years to build up that gut, and it's a good bet I still could beat anybody in this forum on the tennis court. Back on point, I just hate it that when you watch games, there are maybe a dozen or so players around the league with noticeably huge guts hanging over their belts, and way too big a percentage of those are Packers. And while some like that have some toughness, ours play way too soft for their weight.

I couldn't really understand what you were trying to say about role players and play makers. We only have one real defensive play maker - Matthews, and I doubt that is going to change. What I'm talking about is upgrading the D-Line to decent players from the fat slugs who have been vegetating there for a few years now. For somebody to do that "dirty" role you seem to be talking about, they have to be at least credible in terms of capability. Raji and Pickett clearly were not. Good Riddance to them.
Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
nerdmann
11 years ago

Richardson to ILB? It's an interesting idea, but I honestly haven't seen that much in the guy to merit the effort.

You are correct that teams still double teamed Matthews even when the Packers had a pass rush package in there, and that double teaming - if YOU watched closely, was more than just the usual TE chipping on him, and they got away with it. However, even the situational D-Line usually included at least one fat pig in there.

So you're calling me fat huh? hahahaha It has taken me 66 years to build up that gut, and it's a good bet I still could beat anybody in this forum on the tennis court. Back on point, I just hate it that when you watch games, there are maybe a dozen or so players around the league with noticeably huge guts hanging over their belts, and way too big a percentage of those are Packers. And while some like that have some toughness, ours play way too soft for their weight.

I couldn't really understand what you were trying to say about role players and play makers. We only have one real defensive play maker - Matthews, and I doubt that is going to change. What I'm talking about is upgrading the D-Line to decent players from the fat slugs who have been vegetating there for a few years now. For somebody to do that "dirty" role you seem to be talking about, they have to be at least credible in terms of capability. Raji and Pickett clearly were not. Good Riddance to them.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



I'd try Richardson at OLB first.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
DarkaneRules
11 years ago
I want to see if the gap assignments change in any significant way. I know there will be quite a bit of turnaround this offseason. I think more than last offseason. A lot of this rides on the improvement of the two year players. I got my eye on Boyd.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
beast
11 years ago

I couldn't really understand what you were trying to say about role players and play makers. We only have one real defensive play maker

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Yeah I don't think I explain it the best and I know you don't understand the general idea of it.

But trying to explain it, it was kind of like when the Packers were in the 4-3 Bates system... Nick Barnett was in the middle of the field and the scheme was asked to funnel plays back into him so he could be the playmaker.

For that to work the OLBers has to be role players and take on blocks a good bit and do the dirty work to keep Barnett clean and let him be the play maker.

Basically one guy does a lot more of the normally unnoticed stuff so another guy can play hero.
The one guy is doing the dirty work so the other one can be a play maker.
That's what the big guys have suppose to be doing, the dirty work and they set up Hawk very well this to be play maker.

For somebody to do that "dirty" role you seem to be talking about, they have to be at least credible in terms of capability. Raji and Pickett clearly were not. Good Riddance to them.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Raji seems to have no interest in the dirty work and I think that's a large reason why he's failing.

Pickett on the other hand has been GREAT for the packers (until this last year) at doing the dirty work.

Remember Matthews Super Bowl fumble? Clay made the play but Pickett set that up for Matthews and forced him out towards Matthews, but seems like Pickett was forgotten on that play.

UserPostedImage



UserPostedImage
DarkaneRules
11 years ago
Pick got injured some time during the season and declined from that point. He's been such a great player for us.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

Yeah I don't think I explain it the best and I know you don't understand the general idea of it.

But trying to explain it, it was kind of like when the Packers were in the 4-3 Bates system... Nick Barnett was in the middle of the field and the scheme was asked to funnel plays back into him so he could be the playmaker.

For that to work the OLBers has to be role players and take on blocks a good bit and do the dirty work to keep Barnett clean and let him be the play maker.

Basically one guy does a lot more of the normally unnoticed stuff so another guy can play hero.
The one guy is doing the dirty work so the other one can be a play maker.
That's what the big guys have suppose to be doing, the dirty work and they set up Hawk very well this to be play maker.



Raji seems to have no interest in the dirty work and I think that's a large reason why he's failing.

Pickett on the other hand has been GREAT for the packers (until this last year) at doing the dirty work.

Remember Matthews Super Bowl fumble? Clay made the play but Pickett set that up for Matthews and forced him out towards Matthews, but seems like Pickett was forgotten on that play.

UserPostedImage


Originally Posted by: beast 



I've heard that theory so many times that Raji is merely dogging it. I don't buy it. He has always played soft for a guy his size. Even when he was relatively better, he was a finesse player - playing more like a 290 pounder than 350 or whatever. I NEVER saw toughness in him. To a great extent, Pickett was the same - give him credit for effort. etc., but toughness? I don't think so.

That whole "role playing" thing, to me, is the wrong philosophy to have - or more precisely, it only works if the ones you mention doing the dirty work have capability on their own to make some plays, and the guys getting things funneled into them - Barnett in the past, Hawk now, etc. are more like Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman. Barring that sort of thing, you need a LACK of lumps who can't do anything - Raji and Pickett - and creative schemes - the Capers way, rather than plain vanilla like we had with Sanders, etc. before Capers.

As for Nerdman's idea of Richardson at OLB, I like that better than ILB. That makes more sense than turning DEs into OLBs. I just don't see that ability in Richardson to make it all worthwhile, though.


Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
nerdmann
11 years ago

I've heard that theory so many times that Raji is merely dogging it. I don't buy it. He has always played soft for a guy his size. Even when he was relatively better, he was a finesse player - playing more like a 290 pounder than 350 or whatever. I NEVER saw toughness in him. To a great extent, Pickett was the same - give him credit for effort. etc., but toughness? I don't think so.

That whole "role playing" thing, to me, is the wrong philosophy to have - or more precisely, it only works if the ones you mention doing the dirty work have capability on their own to make some plays, and the guys getting things funneled into them - Barnett in the past, Hawk now, etc. are more like Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman. Barring that sort of thing, you need a LACK of lumps who can't do anything - Raji and Pickett - and creative schemes - the Capers way, rather than plain vanilla like we had with Sanders, etc. before Capers.

As for Nerdman's idea of Richardson at OLB, I like that better than ILB. That makes more sense than turning DEs into OLBs. I just don't see that ability in Richardson to make it all worthwhile, though.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



As a S, his forte is playing up at the LoS anyway.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
steveishere
11 years ago
lol it makes more sense to turn a safety into an OLB than turning a DE into an OLB when most 3-4 OLBs used to be DEs? Only in Texas I guess.
beast
11 years ago


I've heard that theory so many times that Raji is merely dogging it. I don't buy

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



I didn't say Raji was dogging it... I think Raji has two mental speeds,

1) Aggressive attacking the ball
2) Watching

The probably is NTs and big DL are asked to play two gap which is aggressive and attacking the OL while clogging towards the ball... which Raji tries to but mentally struggles to do, and ends up trying to follow the ball, getting to high and watching too much. I think he'd be better if you could get him into a position of, don't watch, don't read just attack... but there isn't a role like that on the Packers team.

To a great extent, Pickett was the same - give him credit for effort. etc., but toughness? I don't think so.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



If you don't think Pickett has shown toughness with the Packers through out his career then ether you haven't watched him play or don't know what you're seeing, and I've already pointed out clearly you only get attack pass rush mode you don't understand the other things DL are asked to do.


That whole "role playing" thing, to me, is the wrong philosophy to have

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Well most teams and scheme have them in the NFL and so I'll take the actions of the experts, they use it so they must think it's better overall.

UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (1h) : Golden with two TDs in red zone drills today
Mucky Tundra (1h) : @JacobMorley Shoutout to Quinn Ewers for allowing Matthew Golden to be available when Green Bay picked.
Zero2Cool (5h) : The menu you expanded to log in, it's the first icon under "PackersHome" .. maybe i should add text to it
dfosterf (6h) : Feelin' pfowish can't find the sun. No big deal, will drag a laptop out when the time comes
Zero2Cool (6h) : if you're on mobile, open the menu and its the "sun" icon
dfosterf (6h) : Can't find the toggle, lol
dfosterf (6h) : I can find that the Microsoft lady rep for Titletown Tech is the philanthropy boss for the entire Microsoft corporation, but. .
Zero2Cool (6h) : There's a toggle for light/dark theme. Super easy.
dfosterf (6h) : The white background beta was hard to read, especially the quotes
dfosterf (7h) : Hopefully the color scheme remains the same
dfosterf (7h) : *Friday*
dfosterf (7h) : 100 million would be 539 million as of Fridsy
dfosterf (7h) : Heck, they could have taken a hundred milliion and invested in DAVE inc. last year (semi random, humor, but real)
dfosterf (7h) : Beer brat and ticket is where the money comes from
dfosterf (7h) : The 40th is Titletown Tech itself. This is a pet project of both Ed Policy and Mark Murphy
Zero2Cool (7h) : New site coming along nicely. The editor is better than what we have here. Oh yeah!
dfosterf (7h) : No profit that I know of. 0 for 40
dfosterf (7h) : The woke reference has to do with the makeup and oftentimes objectives of the companies they invested in
packerfanoutwest (7h) : beer and brats woke? say whom?
beast (7h) : I don't want to get into politics, but how is, beers and brats considered to be "woke"? Food is food...
beast (7h) : That being said, I'm not saying all 100% should be that way, but not surprised if majority are Wisconsin based
beast (7h) : And if everyone has heard of them, then it it probably has less growth potential and less community based
beast (7h) : Well isn't the investing person supposed to invest the money?
dfosterf (8h) : I swear if I were to discover that one of them has invented a virtue signalling transmitter I will not be surprised, lol
dfosterf (8h) : 39 companies so far that I bet no one has ever heard of.
dfosterf (8h) : -Not saying woke, but should- borderline philanthopist venture capital excercise
dfosterf (8h) : Well for one, they are pouring resources into Title Town Tech. Investing beer, brat, hot dog, ticket money into what is pretty much...
beast (14h) : Wow, 95% drop in investment revenue? Would be interesting to hear the details of why...
dfosterf (25-Jul) : It's my one day deal complaint dept. on shareholder meeting day
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Probably a homer access credential intimidation kinda thing
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Meathead "journalists" skip this, concentrating on operational revenue when convenient. They switch when net revenue is more favorable.
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Resulting in an actual drop of net revenue of 12.5%. She is from Minnesota. Just sayin'
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Any plans to hold Maureen Smith (CFO) accountable for a 95% drop in investment revenue?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : In your face, HBO!
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @ByRyanWood Mark Murphy: “A great source of pride of mine is that we were never on Hard Knocks.”
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : *years
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @mattschneidman Mark Murphy says he anticipates “many Packers games” being played in Germany, Ireland and/or the U.K. over the next 5-10 yea
dfosterf (25-Jul) : *cafeteria* I have hit my head also, so I sympathize
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Possibly hit his head leaning into the glass protecting the food in the cafateria
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Maybe a low flying drone
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Did Savion Williams run into a goalpost or something?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : also, no bueno when a guy starts getting concussions right off the bat in his career
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Concussion is worse. Banks probably vet off day via back booboo claim
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @AndyHermanNFL Jordy Nelson out at camp today. No word if he’s in play for one of the two open roster spots ; )
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Is that better or worse than Banks bad back?
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Savion concussion ... not good.
packerfanoutwest (24-Jul) : Aaron Rodgers’s first pass of first team period was picked off
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : tbh I didn't hear of his passing
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Cosby Show. Malcom Jamal Warner I think is real name
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : I was thinking of Ozzy and Hulk
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
6h / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jul / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

25-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

24-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

22-Jul / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

22-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.