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GREEN BAY — Just like he smartly ran to the line judge and called timeout Sunday, Mike McCarthy sidestepped answering the question Monday.

When Tramon Williams' potentially victory-clinching interception was initially ruled incomplete with a little over a minute left on Sunday, and the replay official upstairs did not immediately initiate a review, the Green Bay Packers coach used his final timeout in hopes of the play being reviewed.

McCarthy went to line judge Rusty Baynes and an NFL replay liaison to ask if the play would be reviewed. When there had not been an indication that the play would be looked at, McCarthy called timeout. Although referee Walt Coleman would later tell the crowd that he had been buzzed by the replay booth before McCarthy called his timeout, it didn't appear that way on the FOX Sports broadcast, as Coleman went to the vibrating beeper on his belt as the Cowboys were snapping the ball.

NFL replay rules call for all reviews in the final 2 minutes of each half and in overtime to be initiated by the replay official.

Williams' play was then reviewed and the call on the field of an incomplete pass was overturned to an interception, sealing the win. The Cowboys obviously only needed a field goal to win the game on their final drive.

Asked Monday if he believed the play would have been reviewed if he hadn't called for the timeout, McCarthy replied, "I think the timing of it worked out, so they were really buzzed about the same time. The process, it worked out for us."

Later, McCarthy added, "I'm calling the timeout. I'm not going to get beat by a technicality. That was my thought process as soon as we saw it, especially at that point in the game. That was it. (Williams' catch) looked pretty clean — I know it was on the other side of the field — but it looked clean from our perspective and the communication from the box was that it was clean."

Defensive coordinator Dom Capers, who was up in the coaches box for the play, was asked if he believed the play would have been reviewed without McCarthy's timeout.

"That's a good question, because obviously Dallas was trying to hurry up and get the ball snapped," said Capers, a former head coach with Carolina and Houston. "I kept waiting on it because after 2 minutes the call is up in the box. Fortunately, we had the timeout left, because once we saw it on the screen up there (at AT&T Stadium), we felt very strongly it was an interception because the thing never hit the ground.

"So we were in communication with Mike. Mike ... he wasn't going to let them snap the ball. If you don't have a timeout and they don't stop it and they get that ball snapped, it's a different game."

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11 years ago
The NFL has rules for everything under the sun. They should have some rule that allows a slow replay request to override a team that is trying to hurry the snap and avoid losing the ball. If nothing else let the coach throw the challenge flag even if they can't really challenge the play (booth controlled) or they don't have a TO to stall and wait for the booth to request it.
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hardrocker950
11 years ago
I'm glad Mike jumped all over that. IMO we got screwed out of one pick - which would have been a game changer. These official really suck at times when they should be at their best - everyone watching knew that final interception was legit, even before the review.

How many times have we seen questionable catches upheld due to a quick no huddle snap before anyone could review it? Probably a lot if you have seen much football involving big bro Manning.
dhazer
11 years ago
We have benefited from hurry on the snap so it happens good and bad for everyone. I still can't believe they over turned his 1st int. I have seen catches stand the same way.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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sschind
11 years ago
I have no problem at all with the hurry up snap, that's part of the offensive strategy. If there is a question try to get the snap off quickly. There is nothing wrong with that. If a coach is too slow to react its their fault. The problem is that without a TO there is nothing McCarthy could have done and that is simply wrong. If a coach deems a play worth challenging he should be allowed to challenge it providing he has a challenge left. It shouldn't matter if it is in side of 2 minutes or not. I'm not saying they should scrap the booth review inside 2 minutes, they should keep that in place but they should allow the coaches to challenge if they feel the need to. A slow to react booth official could have cost the Packers thew game.

Regarding that first "interception" I think they were right to reverse it. IMO the ball clearly hit the ground.
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I have no problem at all with the hurry up snap, that's part of the offensive strategy. If there is a question try to get the snap off quickly. There is nothing wrong with that. If a coach is too slow to react its their fault. The problem is that without a TO there is nothing McCarthy could have done and that is simply wrong. If a coach deems a play worth challenging he should be allowed to challenge it providing he has a challenge left. It shouldn't matter if it is in side of 2 minutes or not. I'm not saying they should scrap the booth review inside 2 minutes, they should keep that in place but they should allow the coaches to challenge if they feel the need to. A slow to react booth official could have cost the Packers thew game.

Regarding that first "interception" I think they were right to reverse it. IMO the ball clearly hit the ground.

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Right. I have no problem is a coaching staff doesn't know what to do or can't reach a consensus. Just make a way for a coach to stop pay and force the booth request the review.
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beast
11 years ago

I have no problem at all with the hurry up snap, that's part of the offensive strategy. If there is a question try to get the snap off quickly. There is nothing wrong with that. If a coach is too slow to react its their fault.

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I mostly agree, IF the replay is working for the coach up in the booth. There have been times where coaches have complain that the replay wasn't being shown for the coach up in the booth, when it's suppose to be shown to them. I remember that happened in one game at the Falcons with a Tony Gonzalez important 1st down catch, he dropped it, but the refs didn't see and the Packers coaches claimed the replay didn't start after the play but had a delay in starting.

Every once in a while you hear about things like that happening, and I think the NFL should have better control of it.
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nerdmann
11 years ago
The officials will often attempt to determine the outcome of games.

But they can be beat.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
DarkaneRules
11 years ago
Loved Williams playing keep away. That was lovely.
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