Pack93z
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12 years ago
Not that we want to focus on the bad moments in Packers draft history, but the Ray Lewis miss I had never heard or remember happening.. hence really why I posted it. It would help explain the over draft of Michels at that spot..

Any missing moments than need to over take maybe Buckley or Brohm? Ahmad Carroll maybe.

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1. Drafting Tony Mandarich No. 2 overall in 1989

2. Packers general manager Ron Wolf was ready to draft linebacker Ray Lewis with the 27th overall pick in 1996. It was highly likely that Lewis was going to be available, too, to the point Green Bay already had Lewis' name written on its draft card.

This one I have never heard prior nor do I remember that being reported at the time..

3. Taking Justin Harrell at No. 16 in 2007

4. Brian Brohm a second-round pick?

5. Terrell Buckley over Troy Vincent in 1992


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Zero2Cool
12 years ago
I will argue Terrell Buckley shouldn't be on the list. If he hadn't run his mouth so much, (e.g. saying he'd break the INT record before suiting up) and brought so much attention to himself, he would have been pretty good for the Packers. Instead he went on to have a solid career with the Dolphins and Patriots specifically. He also had an interception every season too.

I assume the John Hadl trade was more than 25 years ago? That messed up a few drafts lol Holy crap ... I was ... holy crap. I miss the 90's ...


Regarding Justin Harrell and the Packers could have traded back 20 places and still got him ...

Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said that he had three players targeted for his spot in the first round, and most people figure it was Arkansas defensive end Jamaal Anderson, Florida end Jarvis Moss and Harrell. Anderson went eighth to the Atlanta Falcons, leaving Harrell and Moss.

As soon as the Packers took Harrell with the 16th, Shanahan traded up to the 17th position and took Moss.

“We had three guys that we felt very comfortable taking with the 21st pick, and two of those guys were gone when we decided to trade up," Shanahan said Saturday.

The Denver coach's statement lends credence to GM Ted Thompson's claim that he couldn't drop back too far without the risk of losing out on Harrell. It's unclear whether Shanahan liked Harrell or Moss better.

"We had a game plan that included three guys and we were hoping that two of those guys were going to be there and we would be able to get both of them," Shanahan said. "You never know what is going to happen on draft day. When Justin Harrell went to Green Bay, that is when we stepped up and decided to make a move to get the guy that we wanted and the guy that was worthy of our first pick."

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And we had a discussion about this too.

http://www.packershome.com/forum/yaf_postst1252_Trade-not-made.aspx 
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12 years ago
93's top 5 seems OK, the only thing I would change is getting Brent Fullwood in there, probably to Harrell. This is on a basis of hindsight, which is usually 20/20. As far as when the pick was made I always thought Buckley instead of Vicent was a bad pick. Vincent was just as good an athlete, bigger, smarter and a better person.
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12 years ago




Regarding Justin Harrell and the Packers could have traded back 20 places and still got him ...



And we had a discussion about this too.

http://www.packershome.com/forum/yaf_postst1252_Trade-not-made.aspx 

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



The one I hadn't remembered nor heard.. that we were on Ray Lewis and had his name upon a card.. that is not something I remember. A bad ass like Lewis here in the 90's would have been epic. His rookie year with White and company... Wayne Simmons would have become the choir boy. DAMN..  
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12 years ago

93's top 5 seems OK, the only thing I would change is getting Brent Fullwood in there, probably to Harrell. This is on a basis of hindsight, which is usually 20/20. As far as when the pick was made I always thought Buckley instead of Vicent was a bad pick. Vincent was just as good an athlete, bigger, smarter and a better person.

Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx 



Not my list.. theirs.. but for the most part.. pretty accurate. I would have put Carroll in there over Buckley if either was to be on the list. Jamal Reynolds probably was worse than either..

And I might not put The incredible bust on as our all time worst draft pick.. Bruce Clark or Rich Campbell were probably worse picks than steroid boy... just both happened past the 25 year deadline.
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nerdmann
12 years ago

Not my list.. theirs.. but for the most part.. pretty accurate. I would have put Carroll in there over Buckley if either was to be on the list. Jamal Reynolds probably was worse than either..

And I might not put The incredible bust on as our all time worst draft pick.. Bruce Clark or Rich Campbell were probably worse picks than steroid boy... just both happened past the 25 year deadline.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Bruce Clark was the worst. Ok, not as bad as the Hadl trade, but very bad. Campbell was ruined by the coaches. They tried to mess with his throwing motion.

Brent Fullwood was a good player, he was just lazy. First time he ever touched the ball, iirc, he ran a KO back for a TD but fumbled right before the goal line. LOL. He would say he was too sick to play, but then be seen out dancing that night. Forrest Gregg drafted him to beat the Bears, who were in their SuperBowl era at the time.

And I agree on Buckley, he was actually pretty decent, if undersized. Didn't really get his shit together until after he left Green Bay.

My vote is for Jamal "too small" Reynolds. Robert Ferguson was another one. Sherman told Wolf he wanted Ferguson over, whats his name. First of many mistakes for Sherman.

We drafted Ahmad Carroll, because Randy Moss had lit us up the year before. We drafted three DBs that year high, Fred Vinson was traded to Seattle for Ahman Green. Holmgren ditched Green, because of the fumbling.

Sherman used to make Carroll wear boxing gloves in practice, so he wouldn't be grabbing the WRs he was covering. LOL

John Micheals was another guy. "The thinking man's LT." LOL. I think he only played one year on offense in college, converted from the DL. Then there's BJ Sanders who was quoted in the press as saying he aspired someday to be the Packers "starting" punter.
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rabidgopher04
12 years ago

My vote is for Jamal "too small" Reynolds. Robert Ferguson was another one. Sherman told Wolf he wanted Ferguson over, whats his name. First of many mistakes for Sherman.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



The 2001 draft was really bad overall for the Packers. There were so many players drafted that were really good. Just a few spots after Ferguson was Kris Jenkins! The 2001 draft was just terrible. Nothing good came from that for the Pack.


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nerdmann
12 years ago

The 2001 draft was really bad overall for the Packers. There were so many players drafted that were really good. Just a few spots after Ferguson was Kris Jenkins! The 2001 draft was just terrible. Nothing good came from that for the Pack.

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Chris Chambers was who Wolf was gonna take.

Thing about Sherman was that he was the type of dude who would put his connections and his friends over the well being of the team. That's why he kept Mike Stock on even after he "retired" as ST coach. Dude was Sherman's spy and informer. This is also why he kept Rosseley around. AND why they scapegoated Ed Donnattell.

Anyway, Robert Ferguson was connected with Sherman. I forget how. Might have coached him in college or something. So yeah, take him over Chris Chambers. Idiot.
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Mucky Tundra
12 years ago

We drafted Ahmad Carroll, because Randy Moss had lit us up the year before. We drafted three DBs that year high, Fred Vinson was traded to Seattle for Ahman Green. Holmgren ditched Green, because of the fumbling.

Sherman used to make Carroll wear boxing gloves in practice, so he wouldn't be grabbing the WRs he was covering. LOL

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



The 3 DBs in a row was Wolf back in 99 and Mike McKenzie was the only one that stuck. Sherman drafted Carroll and Joey Thomas in 2004

It really didn't help for Carroll and Thomas that the NFL REALLY ratcheted up on calling pass interference, holding and illegal contacts after that Patriots-Colts game in the playoffs and the Colts complaining about it in the offseason. In retrospect, that was the beginning of the Pass Happy Rules era for the NFL.


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