Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • Select Member Topic Starter
11 years ago
Not that we want to focus on the bad moments in Packers draft history, but the Ray Lewis miss I had never heard or remember happening.. hence really why I posted it. It would help explain the over draft of Michels at that spot..

Any missing moments than need to over take maybe Buckley or Brohm? Ahmad Carroll maybe.

Source... 


1. Drafting Tony Mandarich No. 2 overall in 1989

2. Packers general manager Ron Wolf was ready to draft linebacker Ray Lewis with the 27th overall pick in 1996. It was highly likely that Lewis was going to be available, too, to the point Green Bay already had Lewis' name written on its draft card.

This one I have never heard prior nor do I remember that being reported at the time..

3. Taking Justin Harrell at No. 16 in 2007

4. Brian Brohm a second-round pick?

5. Terrell Buckley over Troy Vincent in 1992


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Zero2Cool
11 years ago
I will argue Terrell Buckley shouldn't be on the list. If he hadn't run his mouth so much, (e.g. saying he'd break the INT record before suiting up) and brought so much attention to himself, he would have been pretty good for the Packers. Instead he went on to have a solid career with the Dolphins and Patriots specifically. He also had an interception every season too.

I assume the John Hadl trade was more than 25 years ago? That messed up a few drafts lol Holy crap ... I was ... holy crap. I miss the 90's ...


Regarding Justin Harrell and the Packers could have traded back 20 places and still got him ...

Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said that he had three players targeted for his spot in the first round, and most people figure it was Arkansas defensive end Jamaal Anderson, Florida end Jarvis Moss and Harrell. Anderson went eighth to the Atlanta Falcons, leaving Harrell and Moss.

As soon as the Packers took Harrell with the 16th, Shanahan traded up to the 17th position and took Moss.

“We had three guys that we felt very comfortable taking with the 21st pick, and two of those guys were gone when we decided to trade up," Shanahan said Saturday.

The Denver coach's statement lends credence to GM Ted Thompson's claim that he couldn't drop back too far without the risk of losing out on Harrell. It's unclear whether Shanahan liked Harrell or Moss better.

"We had a game plan that included three guys and we were hoping that two of those guys were going to be there and we would be able to get both of them," Shanahan said. "You never know what is going to happen on draft day. When Justin Harrell went to Green Bay, that is when we stepped up and decided to make a move to get the guy that we wanted and the guy that was worthy of our first pick."

JSOnline wrote:



And we had a discussion about this too.

http://www.packershome.com/forum/yaf_postst1252_Trade-not-made.aspx 
UserPostedImage
PackerTraxx
11 years ago
93's top 5 seems OK, the only thing I would change is getting Brent Fullwood in there, probably to Harrell. This is on a basis of hindsight, which is usually 20/20. As far as when the pick was made I always thought Buckley instead of Vicent was a bad pick. Vincent was just as good an athlete, bigger, smarter and a better person.
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • Select Member Topic Starter
11 years ago




Regarding Justin Harrell and the Packers could have traded back 20 places and still got him ...



And we had a discussion about this too.

http://www.packershome.com/forum/yaf_postst1252_Trade-not-made.aspx 

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



The one I hadn't remembered nor heard.. that we were on Ray Lewis and had his name upon a card.. that is not something I remember. A bad ass like Lewis here in the 90's would have been epic. His rookie year with White and company... Wayne Simmons would have become the choir boy. DAMN..  
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • Select Member Topic Starter
11 years ago

93's top 5 seems OK, the only thing I would change is getting Brent Fullwood in there, probably to Harrell. This is on a basis of hindsight, which is usually 20/20. As far as when the pick was made I always thought Buckley instead of Vicent was a bad pick. Vincent was just as good an athlete, bigger, smarter and a better person.

Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx 



Not my list.. theirs.. but for the most part.. pretty accurate. I would have put Carroll in there over Buckley if either was to be on the list. Jamal Reynolds probably was worse than either..

And I might not put The incredible bust on as our all time worst draft pick.. Bruce Clark or Rich Campbell were probably worse picks than steroid boy... just both happened past the 25 year deadline.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
nerdmann
11 years ago

Not my list.. theirs.. but for the most part.. pretty accurate. I would have put Carroll in there over Buckley if either was to be on the list. Jamal Reynolds probably was worse than either..

And I might not put The incredible bust on as our all time worst draft pick.. Bruce Clark or Rich Campbell were probably worse picks than steroid boy... just both happened past the 25 year deadline.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Bruce Clark was the worst. Ok, not as bad as the Hadl trade, but very bad. Campbell was ruined by the coaches. They tried to mess with his throwing motion.

Brent Fullwood was a good player, he was just lazy. First time he ever touched the ball, iirc, he ran a KO back for a TD but fumbled right before the goal line. LOL. He would say he was too sick to play, but then be seen out dancing that night. Forrest Gregg drafted him to beat the Bears, who were in their SuperBowl era at the time.

And I agree on Buckley, he was actually pretty decent, if undersized. Didn't really get his shit together until after he left Green Bay.

My vote is for Jamal "too small" Reynolds. Robert Ferguson was another one. Sherman told Wolf he wanted Ferguson over, whats his name. First of many mistakes for Sherman.

We drafted Ahmad Carroll, because Randy Moss had lit us up the year before. We drafted three DBs that year high, Fred Vinson was traded to Seattle for Ahman Green. Holmgren ditched Green, because of the fumbling.

Sherman used to make Carroll wear boxing gloves in practice, so he wouldn't be grabbing the WRs he was covering. LOL

John Micheals was another guy. "The thinking man's LT." LOL. I think he only played one year on offense in college, converted from the DL. Then there's BJ Sanders who was quoted in the press as saying he aspired someday to be the Packers "starting" punter.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
rabidgopher04
11 years ago

My vote is for Jamal "too small" Reynolds. Robert Ferguson was another one. Sherman told Wolf he wanted Ferguson over, whats his name. First of many mistakes for Sherman.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



The 2001 draft was really bad overall for the Packers. There were so many players drafted that were really good. Just a few spots after Ferguson was Kris Jenkins! The 2001 draft was just terrible. Nothing good came from that for the Pack.


Amazing Bacon Delivery  Service! Never be without good bacon again.
nerdmann
11 years ago

The 2001 draft was really bad overall for the Packers. There were so many players drafted that were really good. Just a few spots after Ferguson was Kris Jenkins! The 2001 draft was just terrible. Nothing good came from that for the Pack.

Originally Posted by: rabidgopher04 



Chris Chambers was who Wolf was gonna take.

Thing about Sherman was that he was the type of dude who would put his connections and his friends over the well being of the team. That's why he kept Mike Stock on even after he "retired" as ST coach. Dude was Sherman's spy and informer. This is also why he kept Rosseley around. AND why they scapegoated Ed Donnattell.

Anyway, Robert Ferguson was connected with Sherman. I forget how. Might have coached him in college or something. So yeah, take him over Chris Chambers. Idiot.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Mucky Tundra
11 years ago

We drafted Ahmad Carroll, because Randy Moss had lit us up the year before. We drafted three DBs that year high, Fred Vinson was traded to Seattle for Ahman Green. Holmgren ditched Green, because of the fumbling.

Sherman used to make Carroll wear boxing gloves in practice, so he wouldn't be grabbing the WRs he was covering. LOL

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



The 3 DBs in a row was Wolf back in 99 and Mike McKenzie was the only one that stuck. Sherman drafted Carroll and Joey Thomas in 2004

It really didn't help for Carroll and Thomas that the NFL REALLY ratcheted up on calling pass interference, holding and illegal contacts after that Patriots-Colts game in the playoffs and the Colts complaining about it in the offseason. In retrospect, that was the beginning of the Pass Happy Rules era for the NFL.


“Nah. I like having the island. It’s pretty cool...not too many visitors”
UserPostedImage
"I’ve got it." -Aaron Rodgers
Fan Shout
Martha Careful (5h) : I hope it is colder than a well-diggers ass on Thanksgiving night.
Zero2Cool (13h) : doubt he wants to face the speedsters
beast (14h) : Dolphins offense can be explosive... I wonder if we'll have Alexander back
Zero2Cool (15h) : No Doubs could be issue Thursday
Mucky Tundra (20h) : Bears. Santos. Blocked FG
Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : Bears. Vikings. OT
Mucky Tundra (24-Nov) : Thems the breaks I guess
Mucky Tundra (24-Nov) : Two players out and Williams had an injury designation this week but Oladapo is a healthy scratch
Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : Packers inactives vs 49ers: • CB Jaire Alexander • S Kitan Oladapo • LB Edgerrin Cooper • OL Jacob Monk
TheKanataThrilla (24-Nov) : Aaron Jones with a costly red zone fumble
Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : When we trade Malik for a 1st rounder, we'll need a new QB2.
packerfanoutwest (23-Nov) : Report: Aaron Rodgers wants to play in 2025, but not for the Jets
beast (23-Nov) : That's what I told the Police officer about my speed when he pulled me over
packerfanoutwest (23-Nov) : NFL told Bears that Packers’ blocked field goal was legal
packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : 49ers are underdogs at Packers, ending streak of 36 straight games as favorites
Zero2Cool (22-Nov) : 49ers might be down their QB, DL, TE and LT?
packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : Jaire Alexander says he has a torn PCL
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : Even with the context it's ... what?
Mucky Tundra (20-Nov) : Matt LaFleur without context: “I don’t wanna pat you on the butt and you poop in my hand.”
beast (20-Nov) : We brought in a former Packers OL coach to help evaluate OL as a scout
beast (20-Nov) : Jets have been pretty good at picking DL
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He landed good players thanks to high draft slot. He isn't good.
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He can shove his knowledge up his ass. He knows nothing.
beast (20-Nov) : More knowledge, just like bring in the Jets head coach
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : What? Why? Huh?
beast (19-Nov) : I wonder if the Packers might to try to bring Douglas in through Milt Hendrickson/Ravens connections
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : The Jets fired Joe Douglas, per sources
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Jets are a mess......
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Pretty sure Jets fired their scouting staff and just pluck former Packers.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Jets sign Anders Carlson to their 53.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : When you cycle the weeks, the total over remains for season. But you get your W/L for that selected week. Confusing.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the totals are accurate..nrvrtmind
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : I don't follow what you are saying. The totals are not the same as last week.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : ok so then wht are the totals the same as last week?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : NFL Pick'em is auto updated when NFL Scores tab is clicked
Martha Careful (19-Nov) : The offense was OK. Let's not forget the Bear defense is very very good.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Who updates the leaderboard on NFLPickem?
beast (19-Nov) : Has the Packers offense been worse since the former Jets coach joined the Packers?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Offense gets his ass in gear, this could be good.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Backup QB helped with three wins. Special Teams contributed to three wins.
bboystyle (18-Nov) : Lions played outside thats why. They scored 16 and 17 in the only 2 outside games this year
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : The rest of the NFL is catching up to Packers ... kicking is an issue throughout league
packerfanoutwest (18-Nov) : Packers DL Kenny Clark: We knew 'we were going to block' Bears' game-winning field goal attempt
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Lions seem to be throttling everyone, but only (only) got 24 lol maybe the rain is why
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Packers vs Lions game doesn't seem so bad.
beast (18-Nov) : Dennis Green "They are what we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!"
Martha Careful (17-Nov) : comment of the day Z2Cool "Bears better than we want to admit. Packers worse than we think. It's facts."
Mucky Tundra (17-Nov) : my worst case scenario: Bears fix their oline and get a coach like Johnson from the Lions and his scheme
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
Vikings
Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

23-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

23-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

19-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.