Murphy defends Packers' lack of activity in free agency· Page 2

DoddPower
Veteran Member

12 years ago

And just because Player A was a stud with Team A, it doesn't mean Player A will achieve similar success with Team B. The thinking that it does, is how the "Madden" line of thought was coined. In Madden, players are ranked by arbitrary (okay, maybe not arbitrary but have you really looked at those rankings?) numerical values. You can yank a player and pluck him into your team and he'll perform the same as he did on the previous team. Madden doesn't take into account schemes or anything like that in its rankings. Much like fans fail to do as well.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Actually, that's not true in the new Madden, at least in Connected Careers. Player ratings are determined by pre-set schemes that are set when establishing ones coach. I still don't think it makes much difference, but it definitely affects how the players' overall rating is viewed. Someone hasn't played much Madden 13! heh heh.

QCHuskerFan
Member

12 years ago

#12

This is perhaps a new way to envision Free Agents. Think of them as recently divorced individuals.

Do they have value? Well, probably not much to their former spouse or they would still be married.

Are they as attractive as they once were? Probably not, due to the laws of nature.

Are they as physically impressive as they once were? No. Next question.

Are they flexible and trainable? Less so than they were a few years ago.

So what is it that makes them more attractive than someone that is younger, in better shape, and not so stuck in their ways?

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buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#13

I have a headache.

This has turned into a strange year in FA. There are still quite a few really good players who haven't been signed.

The longer they sit un-signed, the lower the price will go for them.

Problem right now is The Packers need to get The Rodgers and Mathews deals done just to see who they can afford, if they so choose to go after a player.

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PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#14

Building through the draft, if done right is a way to make a team that is year in and year out good. That can win the division every year and make the playoffs. But to win past that, the team needs something more. Luck which is what hit us in 2010. Or adding the key players to positions that haven't been meet through the draft.

They don't need to be top FA names. I think resigning Cullen Jenkins would have been a good move, added depth and a veteran at the position that could help the development of the youth. We have seen how Woodson, helped with the development of Tramon, and Nick and others. Cullen could have done similar with our young DEs.

I see a similar situation in Madison with the Badgers. Barry had the team setup where it would be competetive yearly, and Beilema reaped the rewards of that, but the team needs something added on top of what Barry established for them to be considered legit title contenders.

The packers are going to be good as long as Rodgers doesn't get hurt. In order to make that into SB, we are going to need the right FAs added.

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gotarace
Senior Member

12 years ago

#15

I have two words for everyone saying a free agent can't make a difference on a football team... build through the draft...bah bah bah...Reggie White. Coupled with the trade for Brett Favre... We went from pretenders to contenders overnight. I'm old enough to have suffered through the 1970's-1980's and adding 2 quality players turned the Packers franchise completely around.

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wpr
Preferred Member

12 years ago

#16

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan

I can't say you analogy is accurate at all but if you want to use it to help you see the bigger picture,

A 30 year old high end model is still more desirable than even though she is older, more set in her ways and less flexible than a 14 yr old pixy gymnast.

The point is as PFWT points out that a key FA helps bridge the gap and puts the team over the top into SB contention. Ever watch the guys spin plates? It is pretty hard to keep all the plates going without one of them falling. Building solely and exclusively through the draft is like spinning plates. You run back and forth all the time. There are not 22 positions, not 25 positions (incl ST) to fill there are at least 40 offense and defensive positions plus the 3 ST to fill. You can't do that with drafts alone. Injuries occur. Miscalculations on the quality of a 20 yr old. The 3-4 year contracts expire. The fickleness of the draft itself. (Lack of a player at a specific position at the time you need him.) A lot of things can and do go wrong. Some of it can be made up via the low value street FA but not all of it. Picking up a couple of decent FA that the team keeps for 2-4 years helps fill in the gaps that you can't do in the draft.

This is much more apparent on a team that takes the BPA. GB took WR in the 2-3 round for several years in a row. Because of that they didn't take high quality defensive players. The lack of quality showed over the past couple of years. They load up on defensive players and the OL looks like crap. (Mainly due to injuries but there wasn't the quality depth that they needed.)

earthquake
Member

12 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: gotarace

I see the Reggie White thing brought up every once in a while, but lets be totally honest here. The signing of Reggie White is probably one of if not the best free agent signing in the history of the league. You simply do not see Reggie White type players in free agency any more.

The closest I can really think in terms of signing a FA and turning a team around in recent memory would be the Saints signing Drew Brees, who was coming off an injury and known as an above average QB at the time. It wasn't until he start playing with Sean Payton in NO that he became an elite player. Even then, this is an extremely rare move for a team to find a legit franchise QB in free agency.

I can't think of anyone who had the impact that Reggie had in terms of being an established, dominate player, that went to another team via FA and continued the same dominance for any extended period of time like Reggie White did.

So I don't really think its a valid argument.

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wpr
Preferred Member

12 years ago

#18

I see the Reggie White thing brought up every once in a while, but lets be totally honest here. The signing of Reggie white is probably one of if not the best free agent signing in the history of the league. You simply do not see Reggie White type players in free agency any more.

The closest I can really think in terms of signing a FA and turning a team around in recent memory would be the Saints signing Drew Brees, who was coming off an injury and known as an above average QB at the time. It wasn't until he start playing with Sean Payton in NO that he became an elite player. Even then, this is an extremely rare move for a team to find a legit franchise QB in free agency.

I can't think of anyone who had the impact that Reggie had in terms of being an established, dominate player, that went to another team via FA and continued the same dominance for any extended period of time like Reggie White did.

So I don't really think its a valid argument.

Originally Posted by: earthquake

Sure it is valid. It happened. Just because Reggie is a rare quality talent doesn't diminish it at all.

I don't expect GB to sign someone of that caliber every year. Signing a decent quality player every once in a while would be nice.

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#19

Obviously? How is this obvious? Do you think Greg Jennings was going to come back even if the Packers matched the Vikings offer dollar for dollar? Wrong. He made it clear he wanted to be the focal point of the offense, something he couldn't be at Green Bay because of all of the weapons. So, no, it is not obvious.

There are many factors into this, it is not obvious and it is not clear cut. Heck, if it were so obvious and clear cut, we wouldn't have a discussion, haha.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

OK, MOSTLY about the money hahaha. I was just listening to J Lo sing - I guess she agrees with you. "It's not about the money money money .... "

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

12 years ago

#20

Originally Posted by: gotarace

I don't think anyone has said a free agent CAN'T make a difference. I think what is being said is the RISK vs REWARD is not favorable, thus, not worth the extra money you end up paying out. At least, that's what I have been saying from the start. And even I think there's a time and place to overpay for a player.

So, I have two words for people who keep assuming and generalizing so extreme ... BITE ME!

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