MintBaconDrivel
12 years ago

Murphy Takes 5 is a monthly column written by President and CEO Mark Murphy. On the first Saturday of every month, Mark will write about a topic of interest to Packers fans and the organization, ...

often hear from fans who are disappointed that we aren’t more active in free agency. I know it can be frustrating for them to see other teams adding free agents - and receiving “A” grades from the media. The reality, though, is that championships are not won in March. The Eagles’ “dream team” from two years ago is a good example of the risks involved with signing high-priced free agents. Free agency can certainly play a role in helping teams improve (Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett are good examples of recent free agents who have played key roles for us), but history shows that teams that focus on drafting, developing and extending the contracts of their core players are more likely to have sustained success.

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MintBaconDrivel
12 years ago

Packers CEO Mark Murphy realizes that a gap currently exists between the his team and the 49ers.  But that hasn't prompted the Packers to make bold moves in free agency, even as the Niners have traded for receiver Anquan Boldin and signed cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha. “Look at the teams who have done that,' Murphy tells

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meh. I get so tired of the chest thumping they do when they don't pick up anyone of quality as a FA. I've said it before it is not either/or. Either pick up 16 FAs at a cost of $100 ea or don't get any at all.

Murphy even points out Woodson and Pickett as being an integral part of the SB team so history PROVES picking up a FA every once in a while fills in the gaps that you can't complete via the draft.


So, when you watch the NFL Draft on Thursday, April 25 (in prime time for the third straight year), know that it’s the best way to improve our team.

but it is not the only way.
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texaspackerbacker
12 years ago
There's two ways of looking at this: One is that we have such an outstanding winning record the past few seasons, most of the Thompson era, so they must be doing it the best way, etc. the other is that Thompson, McCarthy, ALL of us got incredibly lucky that Aaron Rodgers turned out to be so absolutely super, and without him or if he had even just been a normal good QB, the team would stink. I kinda go back and forth on this. In the past, I was always opposed to signing other people's star free agents for the big money. On the other hand, you look what some other teams have done, and you look up and down this Packer roster, it's shaky at best if you get beyond Rodgers and Matthews and maybe a couple of receivers who arguably are what they are because of Rodgers.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago
Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson have said something similar about star free agents. If they are so good, why did the team that knows them best not resign them?

Player decide it was time to move on? Why?
Team decide it was time to move on? Why?
Team overstocked at the position?
Coach philosophy change?


And just because Player A was a stud with Team A, it doesn't mean Player A will achieve similar success with Team B. The thinking that it does, is how the "Madden" line of thought was coined. In Madden, players are ranked by arbitrary (okay, maybe not arbitrary but have you really looked at those rankings?) numerical values. You can yank a player and pluck him into your team and he'll perform the same as he did on the previous team. Madden doesn't take into account schemes or anything like that in its rankings. Much like fans fail to do as well.
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texaspackerbacker
12 years ago

Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson have said something similar about star free agents. If they are so good, why did the team that knows them best not resign them?

Player decide it was time to move on? Why?
Team decide it was time to move on? Why?
Team overstocked at the position?
Coach philosophy change?


And just because Player A was a stud with Team A, it doesn't mean Player A will achieve similar success with Team B. The thinking that it does, is how the "Madden" line of thought was coined. In Madden, players are ranked by arbitrary (okay, maybe not arbitrary but have you really looked at those rankings?) numerical values. You can yank a player and pluck him into your team and he'll perform the same as he did on the previous team. Madden doesn't take into account schemes or anything like that in its rankings. Much like fans fail to do as well.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




Obviously it's all about the money. Most of those guys signing big contracts with new teams, you can't dispute that they are good. You just have the question of are they worth what they command for salary? The law of supply and demand says yes, but it's kinda like the kid with a belly ache after buying out the candy store - is enjoying the candy worth the pain? I really don't know - I'm conflicted on this issue.


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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Obviously it's all about the money. Most of those guys signing big contracts with new teams, you can't dispute that they are good. You just have the question of are they worth what they command for salary? The law of supply and demand says yes, but it's kinda like the kid with a belly ache after buying out the candy store - is enjoying the candy worth the pain? I really don't know - I'm conflicted on this issue.

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Obviously? How is this obvious? Do you think Greg Jennings was going to come back even if the Packers matched the Vikings offer dollar for dollar? Wrong. He made it clear he wanted to be the focal point of the offense, something he couldn't be at Green Bay because of all of the weapons. So, no, it is not obvious.

There are many factors into this, it is not obvious and it is not clear cut. Heck, if it were so obvious and clear cut, we wouldn't have a discussion, haha.
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12 years ago

Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson have said something similar about star free agents. If they are so good, why did the team that knows them best not resign them?

Player decide it was time to move on? Why?
Team decide it was time to move on? Why?
Team overstocked at the position?
Coach philosophy change?


And just because Player A was a stud with Team A, it doesn't mean Player A will achieve similar success with Team B. The thinking that it does, is how the "Madden" line of thought was coined. In Madden, players are ranked by arbitrary (okay, maybe not arbitrary but have you really looked at those rankings?) numerical values. You can yank a player and pluck him into your team and he'll perform the same as he did on the previous team. Madden doesn't take into account schemes or anything like that in its rankings. Much like fans fail to do as well.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Just because a team doesn't want a player back does not mean that he is old, broke down or worthless.

There are a lot of reasons players move on.

The team wants a player to move on.
1. The team wants to go with a youth movement.
a) #2 player may well not be as good as the one being allowed to leave but
[list]1) Player #2 has growth potential
2) The money difference for the performance difference does not justify paying player #1 the money.[/list]
b) The team is so lousy that they don't want to spend the money for player #1 and still finish last.
2. Conflict between player and management.
3. Changing in coaching/schemes.
4. Ownership is stupid.
5. Injury or age concerns


The player wants to move on.

a) Change in coaching/schemes.
b) Wants to be a more noticeable player on a team.
c) Money!!!
d) Wants to move to a contending team.
e) Wants to move to a better organization.
f) Wants to move to a team closer to his off season home.
g) Wants to "punish"/show up former team.

Just like you think we assume that we are playing "Madden" and think players are interchangeable (Which we don't) you appear to assume that the only FAs that GB can sign are the ones that will cost them $100 million and tie up their resources for 20 years and don't perform at all for the entire duration of their contracts. (Which is not the case.) Even if they do overpay for a quality player for a couple of years but win the SB, it would be worth it.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Just because a team doesn't want a player back does not mean that he is old, broke down or worthless.

There are a lot of reasons players move on.

The team wants a player to move on.
1. The team wants to go with a youth movement.
a) #2 player may well not be as good as the one being allowed to leave but
[list]1) Player #2 has growth potential
2) The money difference for the performance difference does not justify paying player #1 the money.[/list]
b) The team is so lousy that they don't want to spend the money for player #1 and still finish last.
2. Conflict between player and management.
3. Changing in coaching/schemes.
4. Ownership is stupid.
5. Injury or age concerns


The player wants to move on.

a) Change in coaching/schemes.
b) Wants to be a more noticeable player on a team.
c) Money!!!
d) Wants to move to a contending team.
e) Wants to move to a better organization.
f) Wants to move to a team closer to his off season home.
g) Wants to "punish"/show up former team.

Just like you think we assume that we are playing "Madden" and think players are interchangeable (Which we don't) you appear to assume that the only FAs that GB can sign are the ones that will cost them $100 million and tie up their resources for 20 years and don't perform at all for the entire duration of their contracts. (Which is not the case.) Even if they do overpay for a quality player for a couple of years but win the SB, it would be worth it.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Can you actually read what I said in context and then respond? You quoted me, but with all your assumptions and words you put into my mouth, you clearly have me confused with someone else. Thank you.

For the sake of discussion. Simply because a player is not resigned, that does not mean he is worthless. Not sure where that came from. Anyhow. No one said "you" (general term) think players are interchangeable. There is no denying that often times we read how this player was so great on their team, the Packers should sign him to boost their level of play. If the player doesn't perform similarly to how they did on their previous team, they are blasted as a WASTE and Ted Thompson is blasted for being STUPID with the Packers money.

I have said numerous times that if the Packers are one or two players away from being as close to a "sure bet" Super Bowl contender, they should indeed overspend to get said player/s. It's about winning championships, as we can all agree upon.

Pulling the trigger on higher risk free agents is something Ron Wolf did better than Thompson, in my opinion.

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Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson have said something similar about star free agents. If they are so good, why did the team that knows them best not resign them?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


implies that the player must not be worthwhile. Silence on your part to contend with their statements also implies your agreement.



And just because Player A was a stud with Team A, it doesn't mean Player A will achieve similar success with Team B. The thinking that it does, is how the "Madden" line of thought was coined. Madden doesn't take into account schemes or anything like that in its rankings. Much like fans fail to do as well.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



implies (perhaps unfairly but then you do not expound to clarify.) that you believe most fans do not distinguish between schemes and teams.

Can you actually read what I said in context and then respond? You quoted me, but with all your assumptions and words you put into my mouth, you clearly have me confused with someone else. Thank you.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


it is not my intention to put words into your mouth. By reading your posts I am drawing a conclusion. Perhaps I am wrong in my conclusions but I have noticed over the years others do the same. Perhaps we need more clarity from you.
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