DakotaT
12 years ago

Why does the Department of Agriculture pump out all those billions of dollars on food stamps and then tell everyone that visits a National Forest (Forest Service) "Do not feed the animals" as they become overly dependent on the handouts from humans?

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



So that the bears don't come eat you in your tent when you leave a half open bag of chips next to your sleeping bag. Also, don't take a menstruating woman hiking.

Yes the war on losers accepting handouts versus wealthy thieves continues to be waged among the hard working people that actually run this country. Too bad we're too fricken stupid to find better candidates.
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dfosterf
12 years ago

So that the bears don't come eat you in your tent when you leave a half open bag of chips next to your sleeping bag. Also, don't take a menstruating woman hiking.

Yes the war on losers accepting handouts versus wealthy thieves continues to be waged among the hard working people that actually run this country. Too bad we're too fricken stupid to find better candidates.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 




Personally, if given the opportunity to choose if my taxpayer dollars go towards feeding the bears and the deeries vs. feeding the avg. food stamp recipient...

Well, let's just say it would be a good day for the financial portfolios of Bambie and Smokie, lol


I KNOW the bear would have a tough go of it trying to show up for his job in winter, he has hibernation issues. That is a legitimate handicap and should be recognized. The welfare guy/gal-- I bet more than half are b.s'ing society as regards the ability to perform an actual yob.
DakotaT
12 years ago

Personally, if given the opportunity to choose if my taxpayer dollars go towards feeding the bears and the deeries vs. feeding the avg. food stamp recipient...

Well, let's just say it would be a good day for the financial portfolios of Bambie and Smokie, lol


I KNOW the bear would have a tough go of it trying to show up for his job in winter, he has hibernation issues. That is a legitimate handicap and should be recognized. The welfare guy/gal-- I bet more than half are b.s'ing society as regards the ability to perform an actual yob.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



The bear can't be a working American. We don't take vacations. We have to keep on working for fear we'll lose our crappy job and health care.
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Pack93z
12 years ago

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Yes, but once again you spend all your attention on one thing you take issue with personally, while ignoring every other aspect of the problem. Yes, defense cuts need to be made. No, we can't simply slice the DoD in half and call it a day, or even eliminate it altogether and be solvent long-term. The long-term problems that literally will break us have nothing to do with defense (not that excess defense spending helps the issue). We need more people on both sides of the aisles willing to slash spending across the board AND tackle the issues nobody has the balls to touch (Social security, medicare) or we're screwed no matter how much we cut elsewhere.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 




What about this haven't we known for years.. decades.. that once the Boomers started to retire our costs in Human Services/Social Security and Health Care were going to sky rocket.. simply put this isn't a new problem or one that can be singly pinned on Obama or Bush or any single president or administration.

It is collective failure.

Seriously, as you note in your final sentence.. this has been the sleeping giant cluster fuck of a problem that is finally impacting or overall operations because we have a good portion of this nation that is reaching retirement age with promised parachutes that were not realistic to be sustainable.

But somehow that is something that should be solved overnight by the current administration.

What about the previous number of presidents and administrations that failed to look forward and honestly say.. Houston we have a problem that needs to be addressed now.

No instead administration after administration passed on dealing with the problem.. yet now we will blame one single administration for the problem.

Look I voted for Obama.. and I have been disappointed by a majority of his policies to date.. but not anymore disappointed as I was with GW Bush, Clinton, G Bush, Reagan.. the lists dates back to the inception of the program and not dealing with the reality that the program would only be sustainable if there were more people working than collecting from the pool.

There is two parts of the problem that several administrations have failed to deal with.. the Boomer number and those that are abusing the system. Many just focus on the later.. but with life expectancy increasing and a large number of the population reaching retirement at the same time.. few are really looking at the whole problem. The program as a whole could not be sustainable with the demographics of our populace.

Health and Human Services and Social Security is only being focused on today because the rubber is finally hitting the road and a Democratic president is in term. This problem dates back well past this administration.

Again.. call me a pinko, a bleeding lib... whatever your heart desires.. simply put with the wealth this country generates we should be able to support those truly in need. I firmly believe that.. and I have no issue with paying in to do so. To me, it is the right and moral thing to do in a society as ours with the dollars our society generates.

But we have continued to watch our Health Care outpace any economic growth, we have watched our workforce numbers become turned upside down where not working outpaces those drawing a wage, we have watched our dollars bail out a number of businesses and corporations (yes passed by a so called conservative president).

But somehow this all has developed only in this administrations term.. please.

I love a good debate and would like to have someone solely to blame and make an easy button to resolve it.. but reality dictates otherwise.

Quite honestly.. this Social Security problem should have been addressed decades ago.. in advance of it becoming an anchor that is bound around our neck. But it wasn't.. and now my generation and future generations will have to deal with it. And to be brutally honest that scares the hell out of me with the current political system and ethics of my and future generations.

Without change.. productive change.. we have more dark days ahead. One in which sooner or later debts will be presented to be cashed.



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Cheesey
12 years ago

Where do you make the cuts, Cheesey? Are you willing to see cuts in defense spending? What about cutting Medicare and Medicaid? How about social security? You want to the government to spend like a real family, but are willing to touch meat and potatoes of our budget?

Originally Posted by: porky88 


It wouldn't be that hard.
First, stop sending money to all the foreign lands to prop them up. We are not their "father and mother" where we should have to pay for them. TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN POOR FIRST.
Then as i have said, have some accountability. As it is now, if they want to buy say, a hammer for a government worker, they don't shop around for the best deal. They just spend whatever and don't have to answer to anyone. Plus the politicians fill their own pockets FIRST with benefits and lifetime "retirement" funds that make them NEVER have to worry about how they are going to pay rent or buy food. Make them live as "one of us" and see how much the pissing away of money would stop.
If they had accountbility, waste would stop. But as long as no one is watching them, what incentive is there for them to give a damn on who/what they spend on?
Government waste. THAT'S the biggest problem.


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dfosterf
12 years ago
Make 'em work. The money is no longer there. Put the old/pregnant ladies as flagmen. All able-bodied folk can help re-build the infrastructe. Asphalt, concrete, dig holes, etc. That would be a motley lot, lol

Dis-incentivise sucking off the public tit, as much as is possible. Welfare moms with five kids? Let them die. I'm serious. You left ME hanging to die repeatedly defending your ass, and I was doing YOUR BUSINESS, OUR BUSINESS, (wanna see the physical results to an honorable man result?) you civilian fuck pukes... YOU HAVE NO REAL PERSPECTIVE. in a literal sense--- a small apple/orange butthink 'yabout it comparison thing- You fucks worry about assholes that shouldn't have had kids while MEN ARE DYING IN WAR.

At least you pricks have at least some idea of war, what with media and all, so there is that...

I am disgusted.

GET A FUCKING JOB. You pinkos are all being bullshat. I KNOW the levels of human capability. This is because I have personnaly witnessed the threshold, and sitting on your ass in squalor ain't it. I made the mistake of trying to serve my country and this world, - THAT WE DO- the guys on the friggin' ground-- unless you think we are just friggin' murderers, etc. - to the best of my ability and thinking. Many opt to absolutely serve themselves, and then opine on those that don't.




Gave my wife hell too, lol Fucking PC assholes.
Porforis
12 years ago
I don't put the blame for the massive problem that is social security on the current administration. At least, not any more blame than I put on any other administration or congress that has failed to do anything about the problem because it would be political suicide. But that's what we keep voting for, and that's what we kepe getting.
porky88
12 years ago

It wouldn't be that hard.
First, stop sending money to all the foreign lands to prop them up. We are not their "father and mother" where we should have to pay for them. TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN POOR FIRST.
Then as i have said, have some accountability. As it is now, if they want to buy say, a hammer for a government worker, they don't shop around for the best deal. They just spend whatever and don't have to answer to anyone. Plus the politicians fill their own pockets FIRST with benefits and lifetime "retirement" funds that make them NEVER have to worry about how they are going to pay rent or buy food. Make them live as "one of us" and see how much the pissing away of money would stop.
If they had accountbility, waste would stop. But as long as no one is watching them, what incentive is there for them to give a damn on who/what they spend on?
Government waste. THAT'S the biggest problem.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 


Accountability and government waste are outstanding talking points, but they don't solve the problem. The fact is the government can’t spend within its means or like a family without touching the meat and potatoes of the spending. That's Defense spending, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security? Would you make cuts into those government programs?
DakotaT
12 years ago
Cut, cut, cut, cut - you know what, fuck that! You guys never discuss the other end of the spectrum - making the wealthy pay more than their fair share - or just make them repatriate all their tax evasion. They all got wealthy off the sweat of other men's brows or stealing it somehow - TAX their fucken asses. What the hell is the difference between living off someone else's wealth or other people's labors.

Our plutocracy sucks ass.
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Porforis
12 years ago

Cut, cut, cut, cut - you know what, fuck that! You guys never discuss the other end of the spectrum - making the wealthy pay more than their fair share - or just make them repatriate all their tax evasion. They all got wealthy off the sweat of other men's brows or stealing it somehow - TAX their fucken asses. What the hell is the difference between living off someone else's wealth or other people's labors.

Our plutocracy sucks ass.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Or we're inundanted with politicians constantly trying to blame the wealthy and pretend that they can make a dent in our trillions of dollars of debt that's growing exponentially by making them pay a "fair share". Yeah, just increase the tax rate on every rich person to a flat 50% and SURE social security will be solvent! Wait, maybe 70? 100? Still not enough money? Well jeeze, maybe we need to examine the underlying problems in the system as a whole rather than pointing fingers at a single issue or group.
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