earthquake
12 years ago
Personally, I would rather see Gurley as a 6th WR and keep one less TE this year. I mean seriously are they going to break out the 5 TE set? [grin1] Both would be mostly special teams players, it would be good to have Gurley if for nothing other than his tendency to block kicks.

Or Gurley over Driver, I love Driver and he can still probably play, but as a #5 WR you're generally looking for a developmental player that has a role on special teams. James Jones was in 2011 and will be in 2012 a more productive player than Donald Driver(if we ignore that playoff game....).

I think Ted Thompson would easily trade James Jones if there was value in the trade, but it would have to be a fairly high pick as the Packers seem pretty high on him, and again, as the open market showed, not very many teams are interested in James Jones. So its just unrealistic to expect a trade to happen there.
Ted Thompson doesn't trade guys away simply because he has too many good players at position X.

Maybe he's worth a 5th round pick? Really, if you're going to keep going on about how much trade value he has, but not even tell us what you think he's worth in a trade, and can't give any examples of similar players being traded and what they were traded for.... I'll stick to my opinion that a #3-4 WR that didn't get much interest in free agency isn't a hot commodity on the trade market. Certainly if other teams viewed him as a #1/2 WR, someone would have paid him 4-5 million a season, drops and all.

Just look at Santonio Holmes a first round pick who has experience as a starter, has had good production and like James Jones, has a tendency to drop easy TDs. What did the Steelers get for him? A 5th round pick. You might say "oh well Holmes had to sit out a 4 game suspension so they got him cheap" and you'd be correct, except for the fact that Holmes has the sort of talent(or atleast the jets think so) to garner him a $45m contract, while James Jones is currently playing out a $9m contract.

So if Santonio-freaking-holmes can get a $45m contract, and James Jones has to sign a 9m contract because he has so little FA interest, again what makes you think he has a high trade value? Maybe some sort of NFL-wide James Jones hating conspiracy?
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12 years ago

Hey wpr & zombie, just making light of the situation. No worries. No pouting. I stand behind my ideas. And if I make a mistake, I'll always admit it and try to make it right - like my great Reed idea in the Collins thread. Holy crap! That was bad...

Thinking Gurley is ready to advance onto the 53 man roster. Management may have already made a decision on this, or they wouldn't have tried so hard to keep him. I would rather try to get something for Jones, and keep a restructured DD around. To me, that seems like a no brainer, but will probably go the other way, with DD's release.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



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good to hear. Sarcasm often doesn't come off very well. that is why i like the [sarcasm] little stupid guys to help tell others when I am being an [ass]
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play2win
12 years ago

Personally, I would rather see Gurley as a 6th WR and keep one less TE this year. I mean seriously are they going to break out the 5 TE set? [grin1] Both would be mostly special teams players, it would be good to have Gurley if for nothing other than his tendency to block kicks.

Or Gurley over Driver, I love Driver and he can still probably play, but as a #5 WR you're generally looking for a developmental player that has a role on special teams. James Jones was in 2011 and will be in 2012 a more productive player than Donald Driver(if we ignore that playoff game....).

I think Ted Thompson would easily trade James Jones if there was value in the trade, but it would have to be a fairly high pick as the Packers seem pretty high on him, and again, as the open market showed, not very many teams are interested in James Jones. So its just unrealistic to expect a trade to happen there.

Ted Thompson doesn't trade guys away simply because he has too many good players at position X.

Maybe he's worth a 5th round pick? Really, if you're going to keep going on about how much trade value he has, but not even tell us what you think he's worth in a trade, and can't give any examples of similar players being traded and what they were traded for.... I'll stick to my opinion that a #3-4 WR that didn't get much interest in free agency isn't a hot commodity on the trade market. Certainly if other teams viewed him as a #1/2 WR, someone would have paid him 4-5 million a season, drops and all.

Just look at Santonio Holmes a first round pick who has experience as a starter, has had good production and like James Jones, has a tendency to drop easy TDs. What did the Steelers get for him? A 5th round pick. You might say "oh well Holmes had to sit out a 4 game suspension so they got him cheap" and you'd be correct, except for the fact that Holmes has the sort of talent(or atleast the jets think so) to garner him a $45m contract, while James Jones is currently playing out a $9m contract.

So if Santonio-freaking-holmes can get a $45m contract, and James Jones has to sign a 9m contract because he has so little FA interest, again what makes you think he has a high trade value? Maybe some sort of NFL-wide James Jones hating conspiracy?

Originally Posted by: earthquake 



No Kidding! 5 wide TEs... I was thinking it, and very badly wanting to see it last season! Also, that Gurley kid blocked what, 5 kicks last preseason?

As for the rest of your post, man, it was just an idea. Within the first 4 posts in this thread I give a decent enough idea of what I think he is worth. If you don't agree, fine. I WOULD PUT HIM IN THE R2 RANGE. Why even bring up the ass clown Jets? They are stupid. So is Buffalo for ponying up $36.25M over 5 yrs for Steve Johnson, a guy who had 7 TDs last year, just like James Jones. Both Holmes and Johnson are head cases. jones is not.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-14/sports/chi-brandon-marshalls-rap-sheet-20120314_1_brandon-marshall-rasheedah-watley-press-charges 

Jones is young, experienced, and has far more upside than any of those 4 of Bolden, Moss, Marshall or Williams. How do you determine what that value would be, with certainty? I know for sure it is more than the R5 you propose.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/39954/59/the-2012-wide-receiver-market?pg=3 

"Wide Receiver Trade Candidates

1. James Jones, Packers

Overview: Essentially black-balled on the free agent market after two unforgettable playoff drops, Jones settled for a three-year, $9.4 million contract to stay in Green Bay last July. The deal was incredibly affordable for a durable, 27-year-old playmaking wide receiver. While drops are an ongoing issue, Jones has averaged 14.5 yards per career reception and scored 17 touchdowns over the past three seasons despite making just six starts. Jones, who packs 208 pounds onto his 6-foot-1 frame, is a physical possession receiver willing to make tough grabs in traffic. His bread and butter is run-after-catch. Jones is a backup in Green Bay, and 2011 second-round pick Randall Cobb will have a bigger role on offense in 2012. While staying with the Pack is Jones' most likely scenario, he could be an interesting trade target for receiver-needy clubs during training camp. His salary is a reasonable $2.3 million, and Jones could start for at least ten teams.

Prediction: Stays with Packers. "

earthquake, how many starting WRs are "worth a 5th round pick?"

There. I'm done talking about Jones. Forever. I don't even want to trade him anymore...[grin1]

PackerTraxx
12 years ago
The only way I could see us drafting a WR is if we trade one of ours, and then we really don't need one. The most likely scenerio is if one was waaaaaaaayyy to good to pass up. Like Broyles with a 7th. We could probably store him on IR for a year with his injury!!!
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play2win
12 years ago
R1 of the draft starts two weeks from tomorrow (4/26). Rs 2-3 on Friday, and 4-7 on Saturday. I can't wait to see what Ted does. I don't care much how he does it, as long as he gives us a serious pass rush. Trades or no trades.
zombieslayer
12 years ago



There. I'm done talking about Jones. Forever. I don't even want to trade him anymore...[grin1]

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Good. The last thing I want to see is Jennings, Jordy, Cobb, or Jones leaving in 2012. I'm not sure whether or not Driver will be a Packer in 2012.

It's all about WR depth. I still have nightmares about 2005.
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PackerTraxx
12 years ago
Agree, that's the first, second, and third prority!!!. If he can do that we should be in good shape for next year with good health. Anything more is frosting on the cake.

Edit: Play2 regards passrush
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play2win
12 years ago
...dying...

....to...

....reply...

he he. I totally know what you mean about 2005. However, we are insanely deep - now. Not so sure I want to give up on the DD either. He could restructure to a more cap friendly figure to stay on. Dude can still bring it.
PackerTraxx
12 years ago

Good. The last thing I want to see is Jennings, Jordy, Cobb, or Jones leaving in 2012. I'm not sure whether or not Driver will be a Packer in 2012.

It's all about WR depth. I still have nightmares about 2005.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



I wonder how well Manning or Brady would have done throwing to that group of receivers? LOL
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earthquake
12 years ago
Taco Wallace.
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