Stevetarded
12 years ago

I wouldn't expect anything from Matt Flynn because he wasn't a starter and the person he backed up was the NFL's MVP last season. The Packers are not missing out on any production because Matt Flynn signed elsewhere. It wouldn't make any sense to receive anything more than maybe a 6th or 7th rounder for Matt Flynn.

Daryn Colledge and Cullen Jenkins were starters.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I don't think it matters what they did on your team. It matters what they do on their next team and the kind of contract they signed.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

I can't admit to being very familiar with the comp. pick awarding process, but does being a starter the previous season matter? I thought it had more to do with the contract they received and playing time/stats. If Flynn starts and plays even half-way decent I would have to think we'd get more than a 7th, but maybe not after the NFL subtracts our free agent signings this season.

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



You are probably right with your thinking of how it works. I'm saying, I don't understand why the Packers would receive anything because Matt Flynn did not contribute anything so what is there to compensate for?

Scott Wells should net a far bigger compensatory pick than Matt Flynn. However, is the play of the players who have replaced the player lost play a role in evaluating the compensation?

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Stevetarded
12 years ago

I can't admit to being very familiar with the comp. pick awarding process, but does being a starter the previous season matter? I thought it had more to do with the contract they received and playing time/stats. If Flynn starts and plays even half-way decent I would have to think we'd get more than a 7th, but maybe not after the NFL subtracts our free agent signings this season.

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



So far I think only Saturday counts for our signings. I think Muir was released by his team and was available before FA started so I don't think he counts.
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DoddPower
12 years ago

So far I think only Saturday counts for our signings. I think Muir was released by his team and was available before FA started so I don't think he counts.

Originally Posted by: Stevetarded 



Oh, that's cool about Muir. I am assuming Hargrove would count for something, especially if he gets 4-5 sacks. There's also the potential of Lawson and Bell, but that's all hypothetical at this point. However, if we do sign a 'bigger name' guy like Lawson or Bell, it will probably significantly reduce any compensatory pick (s) we would get next season.

Pack93z
12 years ago

I can't admit to being very familiar with the comp. pick awarding process, but does being a starter the previous season matter? I thought it had more to do with the contract they received and playing time/stats. If Flynn starts and plays even half-way decent I would have to think we'd get more than a 7th, but maybe not after the NFL subtracts our free agent signings this season.

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



Not in how I understand it.. the formula is a mix of contract signed, the amount of playing time and the performance of the playing the year after signing the deal, hence this coming season. The overall team award is impacted by the net loss and gain of free agents and quality of said signings.

So.. based on reports, Flynn's deal is a 3 year deal with incentives likely to be between 19 and 16 million. Below average for a QB, which is why some are thinking the Packers likely lose out on a 3rd.

But basing this on an example of Cullen Jenkins last year.. it appears that performance and playing time have just as big of an impact as the size of the deal.

So, if Flynn can land the starting job and perform well.. I guess I don't buy into that loss of a potential 3rd round pick. Flynn should have a good shot at beating out TJ for the starting job, and they have some talent upon that offense, so it should be a fair shot and putting up decent numbers.. especially in a weaker NFC west, after the Niners.. it drops off pretty good.

As to why.. the compensatory picks are designed to compensate losing players coming into their prime due to the inability to sign them to new deals. Without free agency driving up player costs and allowing players to hit the open market, a team like Green Bay would have kept Matt Flynn in place. This is a mechanism to compensate for the free agent market compared to pre-1993 where players were not afforded to hit the open market as easily.

Granted.. the day has probably passed for the basic reason to have the system in place, it is a minor win for the clubs in this structure. Well ran teams that draft effectively, like Green Bay now, are hurt by the Free Agent system.. so it is designed to offset that based on a non free agent system.
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Pack93z
12 years ago

When somebody apologizes for being mean to me. I guess we stay hungry Joe.



Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



?

Maybe Dakota didn't see my humor in the bee keeper cartoon.. if so.. I apologize. Should I ship out a Snickers?


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DoddPower
12 years ago

Should I ship out a Snickers?

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 




heh, I wouldn't offer to ship more things out there Shawn. You're not the best at actually completing that process.


I had to!! =d> =d> =d>
Pack93z
12 years ago

heh, I wouldn't offer to ship more things out there Shawn. You're not the best at actually completing that process.


I had to!! =d> =d> =d>

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



Holy crap.. I have failed you. Damn it.. holy cow I feel like a hoser.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
DoddPower
12 years ago

Holy crap.. I have failed you. Damn it.. holy cow I feel like a hoser.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



heh, it's more comedy than anything at this point buddy!
PackerTraxx
12 years ago
With this many picks I wouldn't mind Ted Thompson parlaying some of them into higher future picks. Especially if we sign Lawson.
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