Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Yes? ....... I saw this interview on CNN too - Anderson Cooper was SURPRISINGLY fair and balanced about it. You didn't state what you thought of what the lady said.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

Usually, no one cares much about what I think lol.

It's what I have thought from the start. Albeit, ignorantly from the start, lol. I read an article about how Zimmerman unselfishly helped some local black kids in the area, so I kinda ruled out race as the sole motivator. I struggle absolving Zimmerman of all responsibility, primarily because the 911 operator (not the police like some fools will wrongly claim) advised Zimmerman "we dont need you to do that" in response to Zimmerman saying he was going to follow him, or he was following him. I feel he was wrong to get out of his vehicle, period. And at that point of the instruction by the 911 operator, I believe he was heading back to his vehicle when Martin approached him.

Quite honestly, I don't fault Martin for being upset that someone was following him. If he had known Zimmerman had a gun, I bet he's not so quick to start something. On the same note, if Zimmerman doesn't have that gun, I bet he doesn't take a step out of his vehicle.

No, I am not saying we should ban all guns or anything like that. But it doesn't change my train of thought that had a gun not been carried, this case would be Zimmerman suing Martin for getting whooped and none of us would have heard about it.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

I wasn't there. I can't say what happened. Sorry that is not understandable by you.

I'm not sure what he could be getting off with? The more I've learned (witnesses info has come out since this thread started) about this, the more I think the only real wrong thing he did was get out of his vehicle.

The media made this into something at the encouragement of the kids parents. I am not saying they wanted this to be a race thing, that was the media. But the parents wanted this to get attention because they feel their son was murdered, rather than killed in an act of self defense. The media continues to throw up pics of the kid as a pre-teen, when he was in fact 17 and well over six feet tall.

Media wants us to think it was a racially motivated murder by a white man against a innocent black child. Not to mention the doctored 911 call to fuel the racial fire on this. That's why this is so publicly accessible when for example there are nearly two dozen murders in Chicago THIS MONTH alone that don't merit even a footnote.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

You looking to get your ass kicked in here like you did on Facebook? [grin1]

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

No, I am not saying we should ban all guns or anything like that. But it doesn't change my train of thought that had a gun not been carried, this case would be Zimmerman suing Martin for getting whooped and none of us would have heard about it.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Unless if Traymon would have not stopped the whooping for a couple minutes and we would have heard a story about how a neighborhood watch volunteer was killed or suffered permanent brain damage from having his skull repeatedly crushed between a fist and concrete. Fists rarely kill but concrete is no joke, especially when the head is involved.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 

I want to say something about that. I believe Zimmerman is totally innocent. I also believe that he was in fact a bit of a cop wanna-be, as evidenced (to me) by him being armed.

We all know these types. He's a good man, very most likely, but a bit of a zealot. Let's finally have an honest discussion about that aspect, without all the hyperbole.

We could also include the character of Trayvon Martin. My step-son never got popped for anything beyond a marijuana charge, and he was using and dealing heroin, stealing, etc. He had wealth, too. His skin color was white, but he wore a hoodie and hung with his fellow thugs, mostly black, but some white. All of the police knew it, cat-and-mouse, but you just never know. I took him to his supplier several times when he needed it. Me. Dfosterf. The Nazi. Trayvon was PROBABLY not that level, but I DON'T KNOW THAT, and it would take extreme courage to try and report that... these kids have upped the ante in the drug usage department, and you might think they are all just smokin' a little weed, etc. You would be wrong. My son's tombstone attests to that.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf