Wade
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13 years ago

Just have two points

First, she allegedly spends 3K on contraceptives because of her sex life. Perhaps she has just one partner and they happen to have a very healthy sex life. I don’t know the whole story, but it’s not my place to judge. Frankly, it’s none of my business or anyone else’s.

I don't know if this was part of the discussion here, but the Blunt amendment isn’t any better. How many employers would find religion or spirituality overnight based on that bills passage? I don’t have a moral objection to most of this stuff, but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t exploit a law to save money. I know, it's a prick move, but many bosses are pricks. That’s my point there. We really need to write our laws better instead of writing them to impress voters. That is such a vague way to write a law.

I often joke that one party is dumb and the other is dumber. I just have trouble figuring out which. This sort of stuff makes it a little easier to figure them out.

Originally Posted by: porky88 



Actually, what we need to do is stop writing laws.

As long as people have been around, they've had stupid laws. America isn't doing anything new in this regard.

What America is doing wrong is writing laws too damn much. We don't just write stupid laws. We let government...no, we encourage government to write hundreds of thousands of pages of fed/state/local laws every damned year.

Of course the politicos write laws to impress voters. They're high-paid prostitutes and hired guns. And high-paid prostitutes and hired guns get paid by how well they impress their clients.

Politicians might be scum. (At least I think they are.) But they're not the real problem.

We are.


And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
DakotaT
13 years ago

But that is the whole point: I don't obsess about the past, and I don't hate anyone. If they choose to hate me, that is their own problem.

And yes, regardless of how others may view their sincerely held convictions (I think the vast majority of their teachings on sex are absurd), the Catholic Church's freedom to teach and practice according to its conscience is to be protected under the Constitution. "Congress shall make no law . . . prohibiting the free exercise" of religion. It doesn't add the caveat, "unless the majority thinks their practices are outmoded, reactionary, or illogical."

If having your birth control covered by health insurance is that important for you, don't work for an organization you know full well has the sincerely-held belief that birth control is sinful. No one is forcing anyone to work for the Church.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



But does a religious organization have the right to impose their beliefs on you as their employee on a medical issue?

Like I said earlier, all this is about is laying groundwork for the next type of coverage the right wing wants to weasil out of having to pay. People can attach tangents to anything (lawyer tricks) - rarely to we ever hit a problem head on.
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DakotaT
13 years ago
I guess his heiness Rush has now apologize for using a poor choice of words. I would just venture a guess that major adverstisers pulling their adds from his show helped to swallow his pride. What I'd like to see is the owner of his network shows some character and fire this stone age bully. Doubtful, very doubtful that will happen.
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wpr
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13 years ago

I guess his heiness Rush has now apologize for using a poor choice of words. I would just venture a guess that major adverstisers pulling their adds from his show helped to swallow his pride. What I'd like to see is the owner of his network shows some character and fire this stone age bully. Doubtful, very doubtful that will happen.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I don't understand why the advertisers are upset. We they surprised in some manner? Did they not have any idea of how inflammatory Rush can be? I have not listened to him in more than 10 years because I have been fed up with him and his hate messages for a very long time.

It is people like Rush that has pushed me back from the conservative edge to being a more moderate Republican. I do not want to be lumped into the same class as they are.
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Cheesey
13 years ago

Porky for the most part it is not one's business. But when she makes a statement publicly about her sex life it is our business.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Also, when she expects someone else to pay for it, it becomes our business.
If she's having sex with ONE guy, why can't he get a vasectomy? If it's LOTS of guys.....well....back in my day we had a name for girls like that. (I call guys that screw around the same thing. So it's NOT "sex discrimination". It's calling it what it is).

I consider myself a conservative. Not the "heartless non caring" kind. Not all conservatives are like that. Just as not all liberals are like Michael Moore.
Unfortunately, we get lumped into one catagory.

Where does it all stop? Like i have said, she wants (and got) birth control pills for free. What group will come up next and DEMAND their stuff for free? Like i said with the asthma, and was stated by others on here also, THAT is LIFE OR DEATH. Yet we don't get it for free.
I don't even want to add up what all my meds cost, as i think it would push my already weak heart to a heart attack.

I don't hate liberals (even though they all seem to hate me). I disagree with their political beliefs, but i think they are just mislead, not "evil".
It's funny how if you single out ONE, like this particular woman, I get attacked like i'm some kind of monster.
All i did was state my opinions. Agree with me or disagree, everyone has the right to their opinions.
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TheKanataThrilla
13 years ago

But does a religious organization have the right to impose their beliefs on you as their employee on a medical issue?

Like I said earlier, all this is about is laying groundwork for the next type of coverage the right wing wants to weasil out of having to pay. People can attach tangents to anything (lawyer tricks) - rarely to we ever hit a problem head on.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Since when is somebody's sex life a medical issue?

Should they be covering lubricants, sex toys, condoms, etc? One can argue that providing birth control gives a false sense of medical security because although one doesn't get pregnant however you are not protected from STDs.

We will no doubt hear the "regulating the period" argument. I call these people liars. If you are using birth control pills with all the side effect risks just to have a predictable period date you are nuts... or a liar.

And I don't want to come off as a right wing crazy guy. I'm a Libertarian... so if you want to fuck your brains out like I did in University great, but don't expect me as a tax payer to pay for it.

The fallout for socialized health care that you will encounter if you my American friends go down that route is health care will start to be used as a caveat to remove your personal freedoms and taxation will be used as a social engineering stick.

DakotaT
13 years ago
Sorry TKT, if you are in a group health care plan, it isn't your money, it is our money and you don't have a say - we have a say.

And just so you know, Mrs. Dakota gets most of her birth control pills covered for 2 reasons - treating endometriosis, and regulating a heavy flow period with excruciating cramps.

I totally agree with fucking your brains out when you are young experience - and the more the better. I personally used the pull out and shoot method - or when I was looking for some sexual education, went to the bars where the Cougars lived and rolled the dice.
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wpr
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13 years ago

Since when is somebody's sex life a medical issue?

Should they be covering lubricants, sex toys, condoms, etc? One can argue that providing birth control gives a false sense of medical security because although one doesn't get pregnant however you are not protected from STDs.

We will no doubt hear the "regulating the period" argument. I call these people liars. If you are using birth control pills with all the side effect risks just to have a predictable period date you are nuts... or a liar.

And I don't want to come off as a right wing crazy guy. I'm a Libertarian... so if you want to fuck your brains out like I did in University great, but don't expect me as a tax payer to pay for it.

The fallout for socialized health care that you will encounter if you my American friends go down that route is health care will start to be used as a caveat to remove your personal freedoms and taxation will be used as a social engineering stick.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



When one month could happen in only 12-15 days and the next month after 45 or 60 days you will understand why women DO use the pill to regulate along with trying to end the more severe pains and heavy flows. (sometimes 2 week or more for my wife) This happened to both my wife and my daughter.
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porky88
13 years ago

If she's having sex with ONE guy, why can't he get a vasectomy?

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 


Because they might actually want kids. Don't correlate birth control with never wanting kids, which a vasectomy does to a man. Many women want to wait until they graduate from college before having kids. Others want to wait until they build a new house and settle down. A number of reasons exist why people don't choose to have kids at certain points in time. This idea that women on birth control just pop the pill so they can go out and pop something else is simply not true.
TheKanataThrilla
13 years ago

Sorry TKT, if you are in a group health care plan, it isn't your money, it is our money and you don't have a say - we have a say.

And just so you know, Mrs. Dakota gets most of her birth control pills covered for 2 reasons - treating endometriosis, and regulating a heavy flow period with excruciating cramps.

I totally agree with fucking your brains out when you are young experience - and the more the better. I personally used the pull out and shoot method - or when I was looking for some sexual education, went to the bars where the Cougars lived and rolled the dice.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Yes WE have a say... and when they start adding things for you to pay that you disagree with what then? When you start covering all of these women's birth control... what type of costs are we looking at. Will something fall off that should be covered.

Our socialized health care in Ontario (health care is provincial)covers abortion... it pisses me off that I am forced to pay for free-for-all abortions that we have in Canada. Sex reassignment is also covered. Hell I am pretty sure that tattoo removal is still covered, but for some strange reason we recently stopped covering eye exams. Go figure.

Endometriosis has many treatment options, we only choose the pill because of the secondary benefits of a birth control option. If you are done with having children... I don't many going the pill route to treat endometriosis given the high level of side effects.



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