dfosterf
12 years ago
Fuck a bunch of Wells.

He 's way over-rated by everyone, imo. We can't run up the friggin' gut hardly at all, haven't been able to, and HE is this great run blocker? ( I know, I know, don't get me going about our guards, lol)

I'll give him the "football smarts", "tenacity" etc. -and at his position, that is of course very important.

I still honestly want the Pack to take their chances at this position. He's friggin' light in the trou- I like that in women-folk, not so much in NFL offensive linemen, especially Green Bay Packers offensive linemen, including the GD center.



DakotaT
12 years ago

Fuck a bunch of Wells.

He 's way over-rated by everyone, imo. We can't run up the friggin' gut hardly at all, haven't been able to, and HE is this great run blocker? ( I know, I know, don't get me going about our guards, lol)

I'll give him the "football smarts", "tenacity" etc. -and at his position, that is of course very important.

I still honestly want the Pack to take their chances at this position. He's friggin' light in the trou- I like that in women-folk, not so much in NFL offensive linemen, especially Green Bay Packers offensive linemen, including the GD center.



Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



In no way shape or form will anyone ever be able to call you a pussy! I very much agree on the running the ball aspect of your post. Clifton licked ass at run blocking, and it seems like the only running we could do was behing Sitton and Bulaga. Wells claim to fame was playing with good leverage and pancaking Sean Rogers in the opening game on the goal line. Sean Rogers has no heart anymore.
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buckeyepackfan
12 years ago
James Starks 133 attempts 578yds 4.3avg
Ryan Grant 134 attempts 559yds 4.2avg

IDK but IMHO 4.25 yds a rush is pretty good. It's not that the Packers can't run the ball, it's the fact that they just DON'T RUN IT AS MUCH AS OTHER TEAMS.
Compared to these guys you put Starks and Grant together and it's not as bad as some might think.

Micheal Turner 301attempts 1,340yds 4.5avg
Arion Foster 278attempts 1,224yds 4.4avg.
Steven Jackson 260attempts 1,145yds 4.4avg.
Frank Gore 282attempts 1,211yds 4.3avg
Marshawn Lynch 285attempts 1,204yds 4.2avg

I still say it is way to early to worry about any story that comes out.

This is how the game is played, of course Well's and his agent are going to say he deserves a top 5 C salary, I think he does, but myy opinion means squat.

Ted Thompsaon will make the decision.

Wells hasn't been anything but a class act, I am betting Ted will make him a fair offer, and they will go from there.
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dfosterf
12 years ago

James Starks 133 attempts 578yds 4.3avg
Ryan Grant 134 attempts 559yds 4.2avg

IDK but IMHO 4.25 yds a rush is pretty good. It's not that the Packers can't run the ball, it's the fact that they just DON'T RUN IT AS MUCH AS OTHER TEAMS.
Compared to these guys you put Starks and Grant together and it's not as bad as some might think.

Micheal Turner 301attempts 1,340yds 4.5avg
Arion Foster 278attempts 1,224yds 4.4avg.
Steven Jackson 260attempts 1,145yds 4.4avg.
Frank Gore 282attempts 1,211yds 4.3avg
Marshawn Lynch 285attempts 1,204yds 4.2avg

I still say it is way to early to worry about any story that comes out.

This is how the game is played, of course Well's and his agent are going to say he deserves a top 5 C salary, I think he does, but myy opinion means squat.

Ted Thompsaon will make the decision.

Wells hasn't been anything but a class act, I am betting Ted will make him a fair offer, and they will go from there.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



I thought we averaged 3.9 yards per carry. I thought we were a lowly 27th in rushing. Damn, I never realized how awesome we were. Sorry. I take it all back.

I don't mean to sound like an argumentative prick (even though I am one)-- but those stats you posted, contrasted with the "whole picture" - on paper-- coupled with what we all see...

It just brings to mind the old saying, "Don't blow smoke up one's ass and try and call it sunshine."

I appreciate and understand the optimism, btw.
porky88
12 years ago

I've read that the Texans aren't that interested in retaining Myers, despite his amazing season. They think he's a product of the system and isn't worth the dollars he could get elsewhere. He might be avaivable.

Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland 


Really? That's news to me. I read that they want to re-sign him and extend Arian Foster instead of blowing everything up for Mario Williams. They do have cap problems, so they might have difficulties in retaining him. Regardless, I'd definitely pursue Myers if he were available. I think I'd rather have him for five million on annual salary than Wells for seven million on a five-year deal. They're similar players. In fact, Myers is somewhat the AFC's version of Wells when you think about it. He may even be an upgrade in some aspects.


Stevetarded
12 years ago

I thought we averaged 3.9 yards per carry. I thought we were a lowly 27th in rushing. Damn, I never realized how awesome we were. Sorry. I take it all back.

I don't mean to sound like an argumentative prick (even though I am one)-- but those stats you posted, contrasted with the "whole picture" - on paper-- coupled with what we all see...

It just brings to mind the old saying, "Don't blow smoke up one's ass and try and call it sunshine."

I appreciate and understand the optimism, btw.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



The team averaged 3.9 yards per carry but that has a lot to do with the fact that they took 20 kneel downs during the season. I guess if you want to call those carries then yeah they were bad as a team per carry.
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DakotaT
12 years ago
Stats, Stats, Stats; it's all horse shit. Let's call it 4 yards a carry and the only reason it is that good is because most of the defenses we played were on their heels. Bottom line, when we NEED to run the ball, we can't and I call that pathetic.
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Nonstopdrivel
12 years ago
Let's put it this way: It's the waning moments of the game, the score is close, and the Packers need their running attack to close things out. How many of you would actually feel confident in their ability to do that -- or would you cringe instead as they started to hand the ball off? I can only think of one, maybe two games this year in which the running game was able to take over in the 4th quarter, allowing the Packers to burn off the clock and sit on a lead.

In the Mike McCarthy era, the Packers simply have not been good in close-game situations. How many times have we seen the game coming down to the wire with the Packers still forced to throw because they couldn't rely on their running game to finish the job? That's why this team is built to front run: it's the only way it can consistently win.
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Stevetarded
12 years ago

Stats, Stats, Stats; it's all horse shit. Let's call it 4 yards a carry and the only reason it is that good is because most of the defenses we played were on their heels. Bottom line, when we NEED to run the ball, we can't and I call that pathetic.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



No, the bottom line is this team with its current running game can put a shit ton of points on the board. Sure it could be better but it doesn't NEED to be.

Sticking with the OP it's cool and all to want someone better than Wells on the team but the simple fact is that there isn't anybody there currently. In my opinion it isn't really good business to try and replace somebody before you have their replacement.
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DakotaT
12 years ago



Sticking with the OP it's cool and all to want someone better than Wells on the team but the simple fact is that there isn't anybody there currently. In my opinion it isn't really good business to try and replace somebody before you have their replacement.

Originally Posted by: Stevetarded 



I do believe it is Wells who will be pricing himself out of Green Bay, so this whole scenario is on him. We don't overpay, especially for guys on the wrong side of 30. My point is that when Wells moves on, we replace him with a road grader and not a leverage pass protector. The other side of this whole thing is that Clifton and his cap number need to be gone ASAP. He only played a handful of games last year and got yanked out of the Giants playoff game for sucking.


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