Zero2Cool
13 years ago
[quote=nerdmann;204033 The defense was what it was this year.


Wait, are you JUST SAYING ... it is what it is? What the fuck is next, you gonna announce the sky is blue and grass is green and water feels wet and circles are round? [duh]

I swear, we aim to be redundantly idiotic with the things that come out of our mouths. No wonder the Aliens come here, do dances in our crops and get the hell outta here before anyone gets a good view of them! [grin1]
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nerdmann
13 years ago

I think it's as little more predictable than that. If it's a team the Packers really should destroy -- if it's a team most other opponents have destroyed convincingly -- the Packers will probably let them hang around most of the game. They have an odd tendency to beat their better opponents, though.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


Too bad we didn't beat the Giants.
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evad04
13 years ago

This team can (and does) shit itself at any time in any venue. That's the problem, imo.

The defense was what it was this year. But they were pretty consistent. The defense will get fixed, but the psychology of this team will continue to be a problem.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Well, they didn't shit themselves last year when they were in playoff mode two weeks before the playoffs, then went on a three-game road streak in the playoffs, before winning the Super Bowl.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

Well, they didn't shit themselves last year when they were in playoff mode two weeks before the playoffs, then went on a three-game road streak in the playoffs, before winning the Super Bowl.

Originally Posted by: evad04 



We had an elite D last year. It was #2. This year, #19.

And before any wise ass says "well, the Giants were #25," the Giants had an elite D once they got healthy. They had injury issues that got resolved before the Playoffs started. Once the Playoffs started, we got to see their D at its full strength and they were obviously elite.

D wins championships, with notable exceptions. Fix the D, and we're right back in the hunt in 2012.

Dave - Note that I'm not calling you a wise ass. I'm preparing for a wise ass comment in advance.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

And before any wise ass says ......
I'm preparing for a wise ass comment in advance.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 


Do I go out of my way to piss in YOUR Cheerios? Damn bro!!!


As myself and many others have said, it matters most who's the best finishing the season, than any rankings. We've seen that the last two years now. Although, the Packers did have the 2nd ranked POINTS AGAINST ranking. That's not defensive rank because it includes ALL scoring, even if Special Teams scores or Offense gives up a fumble for TD or pick six... so really, the #2 ranking could be higher??
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

Do I go out of my way to piss in YOUR Cheerios? Damn bro!!!


As myself and many others have said, it matters most who's the best finishing the season, than any rankings. We've seen that the last two years now. Although, the Packers did have the 2nd ranked POINTS AGAINST ranking. That's not defensive rank because it includes ALL scoring, even if Special Teams scores or Offense gives up a fumble for TD or pick six... so really, the #2 ranking could be higher??

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Before we won the SB last year, I posted every single SB winner and their D rankings. Almost every single SB winner had a top 6 ranking. The Steelers, who we went on to beat, was #1. We were #2.

The Giants, had they been healthy the entire year, would have been top 5. Easily.

Yes, I know it includes ALL scoring but ST scoring and offenses giving up fumbles for TDs or pick sixes area are a wash because with all teams, there really isn't that much of a significant difference in the numbers.

Now, your site's search mechanism sucks. If I can find the thread, I'd bump it. But I'm at work and I'm pretty busy and don't have time to look for it.

But like I said, the list showed that the vast majority of SB winners had a top 6 D. I compiled this list after losing an argument with RaiderPride about Ds winning championships. Remember all that?

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macbob
13 years ago

They have an odd tendency to beat their better opponents, though.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Maybe that's the problem--we need higher quality opponents in the playoffs...
rabidgopher04
13 years ago

Maybe the Packers should only play the Seahawks at home in the playoffs??

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



This. Obviously this is the only long-term solution to the issue.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Before we won the SB last year, I posted every single SB winner and their D rankings. Almost every single SB winner had a top 6 ranking. The Steelers, who we went on to beat, was #1. We were #2.

The Giants, had they been healthy the entire year, would have been top 5. Easily.

Yes, I know it includes ALL scoring but ST scoring and offenses giving up fumbles for TDs or pick sixes area are a wash because with all teams, there really isn't that much of a significant difference in the numbers.

Now, your site's search mechanism sucks. If I can find the thread, I'd bump it. But I'm at work and I'm pretty busy and don't have time to look for it.

But like I said, the list showed that the vast majority of SB winners had a top 6 D. I compiled this list after losing an argument with RaiderPride about Ds winning championships. Remember all that?

Unlike a lot of people, I can admit when I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



I'm not sure why the long winded response trailing into a point I wasn't disputing. What I said was the points against ranking, is not a defensive stat and stated why. You now claim the points against is a wash for all teams. I'm not necessarily saying that's wrong, but would you provide the source that supports that? Let me use the search to see what happened the last time you sourced something - link . Search works fine, go fuck yourself!! [grin1]

Points Against, is just that, the overall points the TEAM gave up, not a ranking for defense. Again, I would side with your position that if JUST defensive points given up were tallied, we wouldn't see much difference in the points against rankings vs defensive points given up rankings.

Trying to equal your long winded response ... I'm with you that the less points you give up, the more your odds increase to win the 7lb shiny trophy.

Okay, long winded response is just going to get submitted now.
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13 years ago
I said it before the loss and I will say it again. The Hudson Center is a contributing factor. You can't simple open the doors and let the wind blow through or stick the footballs in the freezer to get the feel for what it is going to be like come game day.
The Nitschke practice field has the same turf as Lambeau. Get on it and run your plays every day. As some one mentioned the football is going to feel differently in the colder weather they need to be prepared for it.
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